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better site to get rules

another, and better site for rules - you can print them all out, and includes them for straight pool, too:

http://www.bca-pool.com/play/tournaments/rules/rls_gen.shtml

....oh, and yeah the physics and math being so related to pool?
On a very sophisticated level, one supposes principles of physics could allow you to explain all sorts of observed physical behavior...

Consider however, the simple curveball; trying to explain its velocity, rate of deviation from the expected line of flight, etc. with applied principles of physics and math proves extraordinarily difficult.

Now, on a pool table some things behave as you might expect from school courses in physics...like a cue ball will reflect off the rail at the same angle it came into it (like light off a mirror), like a cueball will tangent off an object ball at right angles to the object ball's movement....right?

Well, sorta as a general frame of reference, but you get to seriously bend lots of the basic notions on the pool table! There's english on the ball, the rail is lively in some spots and dead in others, and the cloth nap can be used to drag the cueball when the angle is exceedingly narrow, and changes in humidity will cause their own special brand of havoc, increased speed increases the angle off the rail (straightens out the V), and decreased speed decreases it (makes the V wider)... well the list does go on and on. All explainable by laws of physics I'm sure, but much like the basic curveball, its not so basic.

One thing you'd probably like to see are the high speed camera / slow motion shots of what happens when the cue tip strikes the cueball in various ways....these are out on the net somewhere, I just can't remember where - think it might have been a Billiards Digest article? It might even be in these forums ...someplace. Google for it. Maybe somebody reading this thread knows & could post a location for these - ? As a physics & pool devotee, I think you'd like it a lot.
 
Cardinal2B said:
another, and better site for rules - you can print them all out, and includes them for straight pool, too:

http://www.bca-pool.com/play/tournaments/rules/rls_gen.shtml

....oh, and yeah the physics and math being so related to pool?
On a very sophisticated level, one supposes principles of physics could allow you to explain all sorts of observed physical behavior...

Consider however, the simple curveball; trying to explain its velocity, rate of deviation from the expected line of flight, etc. with applied principles of physics and math proves extraordinarily difficult.

Now, on a pool table some things behave as you might expect from school courses in physics...like a cue ball will reflect off the rail at the same angle it came into it (like light off a mirror), like a cueball will tangent off an object ball at right angles to the object ball's movement....right?

Well, sorta as a general frame of reference, but you get to seriously bend lots of the basic notions on the pool table! There's english on the ball, the rail is lively in some spots and dead in others, and the cloth nap can be used to drag the cueball when the angle is exceedingly narrow, and changes in humidity will cause their own special brand of havoc, increased speed increases the angle off the rail (straightens out the V), and decreased speed decreases it (makes the V wider)... well the list does go on and on. All explainable by laws of physics I'm sure, but much like the basic curveball, its not so basic.

One thing you'd probably like to see are the high speed camera / slow motion shots of what happens when the cue tip strikes the cueball in various ways....these are out on the net somewhere, I just can't remember where - think it might have been a Billiards Digest article? It might even be in these forums ...someplace. Google for it. Maybe somebody reading this thread knows & could post a location for these - ? As a physics & pool devotee, I think you'd like it a lot.
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Thank you for the link.

I was definately not saying a physicist is better off on the table because he can calculate where the balls will go, etc. I was more saying exactly what you said, that you are working with the angles and the principles of motion more than anything.

I'd definately be interested in those, I have to head off for a few now but when I get back if no one has found the link I will definately check it out and see, thanks for letting me know! I would definately love to watch them. We have a high speed camera setup coming at my school, and I'm sure my teacher would not oppose to setting up some sort of experiment with pool balls, not on a pool table of course but something related maybe :)

Take care :D

-Will
 
clouderold said:
Linda,

Will do! I've been looking for a more serious place, the place I go to now is just down from renton on central it's called 'Gamebreakerz' They have 9 ft tables that are pretty nice, but the crowd there is not so friendly. I've been there with my daughter when her ex-boyfriend liked pool. It's right down the hill from us.Also, the music is pretty annoying when you're trying to shoot pool and be serious and they have top 40 gangster rap playing:rolleyes: How much does it cost per hour to play Harveys, and what are the hours if you know off hand, if not no big deal I can give them a call. Well, I know they open at 11 on the weekdays, because that's when Mike opens. Prices are a little more than the Cue Club which is down the street, but they are mostly ballbangers over there, on those nice Diamond tables! I usually go with my brother or friends to play, so I am not usually looking for an opponent there, and for that reason am not too worried about being taken advantage of. I won't be betting anyone, if at all, for a long time. I will definately say hello to him, and let him know you sent me :)

I am loving the cue, thank you. That's great about your daughter, I am looking to transfer to the UW when I am done with my Associate in Science degree (next fall) possibly, what is she going to school for? She is taking art/psychology/languages right now, but wants to transfer to London next year and is working on her application right now.

I am definately interested in taking some lessons at some point, I'm going to contact my mothers friend and check with her as well. She used to go to a lot of tournaments and I could probably go into a few with her just to watch... if that's allowed of course. Of course it's allowed, minding the age/time limit ruling, of course. ;) I wonder if she knows me or if I know her. I have been a fixture on the Seattle pool scene for over 30 years.

Most of the places I have been too haven't been a problem, I had seen about the place in Bellevue and wanted to go check it out but, as you said, it'll be another 3.5 years for me.. who knows if they'll still be around. I'll be sure to check with these places, I know that it wouldn't be a problem since I look "about 25" according to most but I don't want to get any businesses in trouble. Like I said, I think most of these places let you in until a certain time. I know Shotze's and Jillian's do.

I look forward to meeting you as well! Take care

-Will
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Have a wonderful pool-shootin' New Year!
Linda
 
I've been there with my daughter when her ex-boyfriend liked pool. It's right down the hill from us.

What'd you think of it? I like the tables and the guy that runs it is pretty nice, but the attitude of the people and the environment just never suited me much.. I still play there because it's the only place nearby besides Java which is wayy expensive and the tables aren't too impressive.


Well, I know they open at 11 on the weekdays, because that's when Mike opens.

I won't be over too much before that ever anyway, I like sleepin in and I'm in school at that time during the week..


Prices are a little more than the Cue Club which is down the street, but they are mostly ballbangers over there, on those nice Diamond tables!

Haven't been at the cue club, I'll have to check it out and see about the nice tables :D


She is taking art/psychology/languages right now, but wants to transfer to London next year and is working on her application right now.

Very cool, I took a psychology class a while back, and couldn't focus on it.. I've always been interested in it, but I just couldn't bring myself to focus on the beginnings of it, I have a lot of friends majoring in it that just love it and I've always thought the field was interesting.


Of course it's allowed, minding the age/time limit ruling, of course. I wonder if she knows me or if I know her. I have been a fixture on the Seattle pool scene for over 30 years.

You probably know her, her name is Jessi and she is partner in 'Beads and Billiards' in Federal Way, Washington. My mom knew her from way back when she bought beads there, not from pool..


Like I said, I think most of these places let you in until a certain time. I know Shotze's and Jillian's do.

Right on, I will have to check out all the places and see what I think. I more than anything am interested in the environment... If they have nice tables of course is a plus :)

Again thanks for the reply and take care!

-Will
 
clouderold said:
I've been there with my daughter when her ex-boyfriend liked pool. It's right down the hill from us.

What'd you think of it? I like the tables and the guy that runs it is pretty nice, but the attitude of the people and the environment just never suited me much.. I still play there because it's the only place nearby besides Java which is wayy expensive and the tables aren't too impressive.

It was ok. I thought it was an arcade with some bar boxes. Started doing some trick shots and a bunch of the kids came over to watch.


Well, I know they open at 11 on the weekdays, because that's when Mike opens.

I won't be over too much before that ever anyway, I like sleepin in and I'm in school at that time during the week.. It closes around 2 unless there is action, then they let people finish on the weekends.


Prices are a little more than the Cue Club which is down the street, but they are mostly ballbangers over there, on those nice Diamond tables!

Haven't been at the cue club, I'll have to check it out and see about the nice tables :D


She is taking art/psychology/languages right now, but wants to transfer to London next year and is working on her application right now.

Very cool, I took a psychology class a while back, and couldn't focus on it.. I've always been interested in it, but I just couldn't bring myself to focus on the beginnings of it, I have a lot of friends majoring in it that just love it and I've always thought the field was interesting.


Of course it's allowed, minding the age/time limit ruling, of course. I wonder if she knows me or if I know her. I have been a fixture on the Seattle pool scene for over 30 years.

You probably know her, her name is Jessi and she is partner in 'Beads and Billiards' in Federal Way, Washington. My mom knew her from way back when she bought beads there, not from pool..

Small world - Jessi is on my BCA team. We are an all girly team in an all male league. Was tied for 1st but then had 1 totally bad week and finished in 3rd. Jessi played on another team during the season, but will rejoin us for Vegas. I took most BR's in the league, and a teammate got most TR's.

Like I said, I think most of these places let you in until a certain time. I know Shotze's and Jillian's do.

Right on, I will have to check out all the places and see what I think. I more than anything am interested in the environment... If they have nice tables of course is a plus :)

Again thanks for the reply and take care!

-Will
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PM me if you need more info on local pool halls.

Linda
 
It was ok. I thought it was an arcade with some bar boxes. Started doing some trick shots and a bunch of the kids came over to watch.

Nice! They have a pool tournament and I'm sure you could whipe them out pretty easily.. There's 2 or 3 guys there that are quite good but (no offense intended) they would probably think they had it in the bag and you'd take them out:D I would pay to see that! lol



Small world - Jessi is on my BCA team. We are an all girly team in an all male league. Was tied for 1st but then had 1 totally bad week and finished in 3rd. Jessi played on another team during the season, but will rejoin us for Vegas. I took most BR's in the league, and a teammate got most TR's.

Awesome, I figured you probably knew her but I didn't think you would know her that well! That's awesome that you can get in there and show them how it's done. I haven't talked to her in quite a while but I'll be in there probably tomorrow to get my cue reweighted and I'll definately mention you :)
I'm not too familar with the terms, what are BR's and TR's:confused:

:) Take care, thanks again for the replies it's great talking with you:) I'll definately pm you and see what you have to say about places before/after going there and get some insight into the world of pool. Thanks again!

-Will
 
clouderold said:
It was ok. I thought it was an arcade with some bar boxes. Started doing some trick shots and a bunch of the kids came over to watch.

Nice! They have a pool tournament and I'm sure you could whipe them out pretty easily.. There's 2 or 3 guys there that are quite good but (no offense intended) they would probably think they had it in the bag and you'd take them out:D I would pay to see that! lol

Oh yeah? Just when is that tournament? :D

Small world - Jessi is on my BCA team. We are an all girly team in an all male league. Was tied for 1st but then had 1 totally bad week and finished in 3rd. Jessi played on another team during the season, but will rejoin us for Vegas. I took most BR's in the league, and a teammate got most TR's.

Awesome, I figured you probably knew her but I didn't think you would know her that well! That's awesome that you can get in there and show them how it's done. I haven't talked to her in quite a while but I'll be in there probably tomorrow to get my cue reweighted and I'll definately mention you :)
I'm not too familar with the terms, what are BR's and TR's:confused:

Sorry Will, BR's are Break and Runs and TR's are Table Runs.

:) Take care, thanks again for the replies it's great talking with you:) I'll definately pm you and see what you have to say about places before/after going there and get some insight into the world of pool. Thanks again!

-Will
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Ok, will talk to you soon. Tell Jessi hi for me!
 
Oh yeah? Just when is that tournament?

There is one during the all night party coming up, dec 31st to january 1st, $100 to the winner $7 entry.... I personally am not going to their all night party... I haven't been to one but have a lot of friends that have. It's a traditional 8 ball tourny, who knows if anyone good will be there, I doubt you would have any trouble.

I will PM you when more come up.. They have them about every 2 weeks and it's 80% payout if less than 10 people or 100% payout if more If I recall correctly..



Sorry Will, BR's are Break and Runs and TR's are Table Runs.

Ah, well congrats!! If you went to Vegas for it I would guess it was probably a pretty good sized tournament.. Nice work! Maybe I need to talk to you about lessons ;)



Ok, will talk to you soon. Tell Jessi hi for me!

Definately will tell her hello, I'll be up there possibly tomorrow but more likely on friday.. Take care!
 
clouderold said:
Oh yeah? Just when is that tournament?

There is one during the all night party coming up, dec 31st to january 1st, $100 to the winner $7 entry.... I personally am not going to their all night party... I haven't been to one but have a lot of friends that have. It's a traditional 8 ball tourny, who knows if anyone good will be there, I doubt you would have any trouble.

I will PM you when more come up.. They have them about every 2 weeks and it's 80% payout if less than 10 people or 100% payout if more If I recall correctly..

Thanks for the tip. Not sure what we are doing for New Year's. I would like to play pool though! How many people show up for these tourneys?



Sorry Will, BR's are Break and Runs and TR's are Table Runs.

Ah, well congrats!! If you went to Vegas for it I would guess it was probably a pretty good sized tournament.. Nice work! Maybe I need to talk to you about lessons ;) Just to clarify - our BCA league consisted of about 10 teams, most of them 9 foot places. Vegas is a national tournament with about 5,000 league players from all over North America. I encourage you to get into a league which grooms beginners to start competing. The first time you go to Vegas for BCA, VNEA (Valley) or APA leagues is a sight to behold! Harvey's has an in-house league, not sure when the next one starts, and I think Java has one too.

I do give very good comprehensive beginner to high intermediate lessons. We work with basics of history, rules, stance, grip, bridging, aiming, stroking and work through various shots and drills with stop/follow/draw. We progress into tangent lines, english, position play, strategy, mental aspects, percentage play, and safeties. We cover banking, kicking, caroms, and combos with several systems. We do a lot of fun exercises designed to get you to think. You get a printed outline for notes and reminders. You can also be videotaped to work out problem areas.

My husband gives good advanced lessons, mostly on strategy, safeties and one-pocket. Neither one of us leave you alone during lessons, as some others do here, but analyze what you are doing, even during drills.

Ok, will talk to you soon. Tell Jessi hi for me!

Definately will tell her hello, I'll be up there possibly tomorrow but more likely on friday.. Take care!
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PM me if you want more information or references. :)
 
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Thanks for the tip. Not sure what we are doing for New Year's. I would like to play pool though! How many people show up for these tourneys?

This one I would guess will be fairly large, as the entire all night lan party has entry with the entry fee... Last time I think there were about 50 people there, most will be knocked out almost instantaneously though, since if you just go to the party then you are in the tourny. I would guess there will be maybe 3-4 serious players there and the most advanced person will have maybe a few years experience.




Just to clarify - our BCA league consisted of about 10 teams, most of them 9 foot places. Vegas is a national tournament with about 5,000 league players from all over North America. I encourage you to get into a league which grooms beginners to start competing. The first time you go to Vegas for BCA, VNEA (Valley) or APA leagues is a sight to behold! Harvey's has an in-house league, not sure when the next one starts, and I think Java has one too.

Out of ten teams to do that well is still very very impressive. That's a lot of people, I'm sure that is a blast to go to! I don't think i'll end up competing atleast for a few years and if I do it'll be after school.. I can't afford to go to school and pay the entry fee for a bunch of tournaments :p I'll check around and see, I would love to join a small league if nothing else to meet new people to play some pool with.



I do give very good comprehensive beginner to high intermediate lessons. We work with basics of history, rules, stance, grip, bridging, aiming, stroking and work through various shots and drills with stop/follow/draw. We progress into tangent lines, english, position play, strategy, mental aspects, percentage play, and safeties. We cover banking, kicking, caroms, and combos with several systems. We do a lot of fun exercises designed to get you to think. You get a printed outline for notes and reminders. You can also be videotaped to work out problem areas.

Awesome, I can play pretty well now but I'm sure I'm breaking a lot of fundamental rules, I think those would be great for me and I will pm you to get some more info!




My husband gives good advanced lessons, mostly on strategy, safeties and one-pocket. Neither one of us leave you alone during lessons, as some others do here, but analyze what you are doing, even during drills.

Definately don't want to be left alone, would rather pay a little more and get a quality lesson.. I don't know about the advanced lessons, probably be a good year or better before I'm ready for that.

I'll shoot ya a pm and get some more details :)

Thanks

-Will
 
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