Niels Feijen - Danny Harriman, Niels ran 91 and out

metallicane said:
This has nothing to do with Niels' great effort, but it was intersting to watch the dynamics occurring as Schmidt and Harriman were at tables right next to each other. They both went out of their way to not come close to interferring with the other guy. I hope the bad blood between them subsides.
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I was just pointing out my views about the fact that the tables are close together, that's all :)

As reguards getting involved in a match up, I think that if anything, there should've been a referee present at every match and that there be no need for any audience members to try and keep the players right, as reguards the scoring and/or general state of play, but then again everyone will have different views on this :)

In the ideal scenario, it would've been better if a referee and/or scorekeeper was present at the match, so that a discreet word to the referee would've been better, than risking the possibility of disrupting the players during the match, but this is not always possible :)

Willie
 
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Yeah, spectators shouldn't get involved, no matter how good their intentions are. With that said, if a ref or score keeper isn't present then both players should be required to make sure of the ball count before shooting begins. Screw rhythm. If you've been sitting for 10 minutes watching someone play you haven't started a rhythm yet. Both players should have to verify the ball count. And it's not like it would take 20 minutes to stand there and count the balls on the table. It only takes a few seconds and it would ensure that a proper score has been recorded and it would keep everyone honest. I'd feel really sorry for the player that knows his opponent missed count and let it go without saying anything. To me that's no different than cheating.
MULLY
 
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Well, I've never been in a tournament but the way we play here is that I keep score for him and he keeps score for me and of course we both check the count on the table. We have the drop boxes here so it's easy enough to look in the box and say "minus 4" if there are 4 balls off the table. But, we also make sure of the count on the table because sometimes balls can get hung up in the return rail. And like I said above, it doesn't take any time away from the game to stand up and go "2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 11...there are 11 balls on the table." and then get to shooting. Not to mention then you know how many balls you're going to be shooting at in that particular rack.
MULLY
I usually count them in three's though :D
 
driven said:
The people are spectators only. Sit, Watch Enjoy and...SHUT UP
steven

ps, please turn off cell phones.
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Hey steven, I'm with ya'. I wouldn't say a word. I just understand why a spectator would mistakenly feel like he or she is sort of part of the competition. It's an intimate setting with chairs very close to the tables and players turning around to acknowledge fans.
For the early rounds there is only one referee that can be called over to watch for a foul or to be asked for a ruling. It just feels a bit more casual to the spectators than it really should. Maybe an occasional announcement should be made.
 
Well, not to mention that a lot of the players friends/people they know are watching. Sometimes an acquaintance may feel the need to let the player know if something happened. They really should stay out of it.
MULLY
 
I think the spectators should stay out of it too. But I want to mention something that I have seen happen in golf. That is television viewers calling in and reporting rules violations they have noticed. I believe this has happened a couple of times and resulting in some actions against some players. Just an observation.
 
driven said:
Metallicane. In retrospect, how do you feel right now about your involvement in the match?
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Hindsight is 20/20. I would not have waited to say something. I should have said something right after Danny only put up a point. If there was a referee, the point would be moot.

Let me ask you, if you saw what happened, and did not say anything and Danny lost 100-99 like schmidt did in a match, how would you feel? I just did not want something like that to happen, but I should have spoken up sooner rather than waiting. Actually I would rather the situation never happen, but it did. There should be a scorer at each table.
 
metallicane said:
Hindsight is 20/20. I would not have waited to say something. I should have said something right after Danny only put up a point. If there was a referee, the point would be moot.

Let me ask you, if you saw what happened, and did not say anything and Danny lost 100-99 like schmidt did in a match, how would you feel? I just did not want something like that to happen, but I should have spoken up sooner rather than waiting. Actually I would rather the situation never happen, but it did. There should be a scorer at each table.
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Well, if you feel that you absolutely have to say something in that situation then yeah, do it when you see it happen. Waiting until the other player finishes the rack is totally useless as there is no way on this earth to prove that there was a mistake in the scoring. Again, I don't agree that a spectator should get involved but if you just have to then do it when you can prove it.
MULLY
 
mullyman said:
Well, if you feel that you absolutely have to say something in that situation then yeah, do it when you see it happen. Waiting until the other player finishes the rack is totally useless as there is no way on this earth to prove that there was a mistake in the scoring. Again, I don't agree that a spectator should get involved but if you just have to then do it when you can prove it.
MULLY
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Fair enough. The one thing I did when I saw Danny only mark up one ball was tell the guy next to me to count the balls on the table before Niels shot so I wasn't mistaken. He came up with the same number I did.
 
Well, especially with ball returns, it's Danny's own fault for not looking into the box to see how many balls he had down. He made the break ball, didn't notice the other ball drop, worked the situation over in his mind and when he left the table he assumed there was only one ball down. His own fault. Again, this is why I say if there is no ref that both players should at least be required to look in the return box and count the balls on the table to make sure. It would take less than 10 seconds, wouldn't interfere with anything and if any player was against this then they're just lazy and obstinate. Because a system like that would work in both players favor.
MULLY
 
metallicane said:
Hindsight is 20/20. I would not have waited to say something. I should have said something right after Danny only put up a point. If there was a referee, the point would be moot.

Let me ask you, if you saw what happened, and did not say anything and Danny lost 100-99 like schmidt did in a match, how would you feel? I just did not want something like that to happen, but I should have spoken up sooner rather than waiting. Actually I would rather the situation never happen, but it did. There should be a scorer at each table.
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the scorers make mistakes too. I have seen an accustats with I think Mike sigel vs sombody where the ref doesn't spot a ball pocketed after a scratch. after the fourteen balls are gone the count is one ball less than it should have been, no big deal.
Sure, it would suck to lose a match by just one point, but as a spectator it could only add to my viewing pleasure. My paid admission allows me a seat to watch the match, only that.
steven
 
punter said:
I think the spectators should stay out of it too. But I want to mention something that I have seen happen in golf. That is television viewers calling in and reporting rules violations they have noticed. I believe this has happened a couple of times and resulting in some actions against some players. Just an observation.
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I was just talking with a friend today about this very thing. A telivision viewer called in because he saw a foul that wasn't called. Not even the player realized it. Eventually the player was disqualified.
I believe the pga no longer acts on incidents where a person calls in a violation.

golfers will and do call any and all fouls on themselves, at least the pros do. And the money consequences could be huge. How many of us would stand up and say: i fouled, i just touched the cue ball?
sorry getting off the subject a bit
steven
 
Well, the other thing you could do would be to tell your friend that he missed count and say it loud it enough that everyone can just hear it, act like you made a mistake by talking too loud and apologize for it. No one could ever prove any different.
MULLY
 
driven said:
I was just talking with a friend today about this very thing. A telivision viewer called in because he saw a foul that wasn't called. Not even the player realized it. Eventually the player was disqualified.
I believe the pga no longer acts on incidents where a person calls in a violation.

golfers will and do call any and all fouls on themselves, at least the pros do. And the money consequences could be huge. How many of us would stand up and say: i fouled, i just touched the cue ball?
sorry getting off the subject a bit
steven
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I do and I would regardless of the situation. I'd rather admit that I fouled and lose than win knowing that I cheated.
MULLY
 
Not to say that I have never cheated before. hahaha!! First let's put this into perspective before I out myself as a cheater. I usually shoot 14.1 with a friend of mine that works at the pool hall. Of course I'm paying table time and he isn't because he works there. On top of that there are plenty of times where he has to run to the counter to take care of customers or take a phone call etc... We DO NOT bet on our games. We play just for the challenge. Anyway, there are times when he's taken off to the counter, I'm already frustrated from only running 2 balls and jaw a pocket, I see that he's nowhere near finishing at the counter so I go ahead and keep shooting. hahaha!! I've never continued on 2 misses though......not that it makes it any better. But, if we were playing for something or in a tournament I wouldn't do that.
MULLY
 
mullyman said:
Not to say that I have never cheated before. hahaha!! First let's put this into perspective before I out myself as a cheater. I usually shoot 14.1 with a friend of mine that works at the pool hall. Of course I'm paying table time and he isn't because he works there. On top of that there are plenty of times where he has to run to the counter to take care of customers or take a phone call etc... We DO NOT bet on our games. We play just for the challenge. Anyway, there are times when he's taken off to the counter, I'm already frustrated from only running 2 balls and jaw a pocket, I see that he's nowhere near finishing at the counter so I go ahead and keep shooting. hahaha!! I've never continued on 2 misses though......not that it makes it any better. But, if we were playing for something or in a tournament I wouldn't do that.
MULLY
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That is funny stuff Mully. It takes a big man to admit that even though it is just for fun. That will teach your buddy to go to the counter and slow down the game.
 
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