Nine Ball Break..........HELP

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O.K. all you Nine Ball Experts, I have three questions about a Successful Nine Ball Break.

1. Where do you Spot your Q Ball?

2. Where do you Aim, assuming as you looking at the Pack/Rack 1 Ball is in Front, 2 Ball is behind 1 Ball to its Left as you face the Rack, 3 Ball is behind the 1 Ball to the Right.

3. Do you HIT Center Ball, or. apply English WHERE? Hit WHERE?

Last tell me if you are a Righty, or Lefty Shooter.

Help, and Suggestions Appreciated....
 
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Bruce S. de Lis said:
O.K. all you Nine Ball Experts, I have three questions about a Successful Nine Ball Break.

1. Where do you Spot your Q Ball?

2. Where do you Aim, assuming as you looking at the Pack/Rack 1 Ball is in Front, 2 Ball is behind 1 Ball to its Left as you face the Rack, 3 Ball is behind the 1 Ball to the Right.

3. Do you HIT Center Ball, or. apply English WHERE? Hit WHERE?

Last tell me if you are a Righty, or Lefty Shooter.

Help, and Suggestions Appreciated....
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1. Half a diamond either side of head string.
2. Center of cueball to center of one ball. You can use the light to find the center of the balls usually.
3. 1/2 tip of high to hold the cue ball in center of table.

Righty
 
TannerPruess said:
1. Half a diamond either side of head string.
2. Center of cueball to center of one ball. You can use the light to find the center of the balls usually.
3. 1/2 tip of high to hold the cue ball in center of table.

Righty
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My Problem has been bringing Q Ball back to Center TABLE.... :eek: Plus not Consistantly getting a Ball in pocket. My Spread is Good. Think my New Break Cue need about 1/2 Ounce more Weight.....;)

Shall Try, "1/2 tip of high to hold the cue ball in center of table" ;)

Thanks for the INput.... ;)
 
Well since I got my NEW BREAK Cue I have been Spotting the 8 Ball, all the way to the Back of the Pack when I RACK.

The 8 Ball seems to hit the Rear Cushion, and travel to the opposite END of Table where I Broke From. Maybe I need a little LESS Power, and a little more Control. :p As I said: My Spread is Good Post Break


I have been practicing my Break about 25 time each day when I get to the Pool Room. This take me about an hour, to Rack, Brake, Take notes about Ball position Post Break, and Do it again 25 Times. :)
 
Tons'O'fun said:
Power can be an illusion. When my opponents power-break, the balls roll for what seems like hours. When all is said and done, they have the exact same lay out I have, maybe even worse, and they don't sink more balls.

The only benefit from throwing all that power into a break shot is bigger muscles. You loose accuracy and control with power, like anything it's where you hit not how hard you hit.

When you shoot a straight in shot, whether you hit hard of soft, the ball will drop just the same. If you hit too hard, the ball will come back out. There's always such a thing as too much. The key is to only use what energy serves your end.

Also, I think you might be obsessing too much on your break. Fact is, even the most skilled breakers are left to deal with chance. You can't tame the beast, you can only live with it.
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Alot of pros have said that when a table is breaking poorly, it's the players with the more powerful breaks that have the advantage. The harder you hit the break, if the wing ball doesn't drop or the 1 in the side, you have a higher chance of a ball going around the table dropping in a hole or caroming off a ball etc., but you still have a better chance to make a ball than using a softer break. Control in the break means squat if you are not making balls. The break is not only important because you might be able to run out if you get a shot, but if you make a ball and can at least see the lowball you have a chance to keep control of the table. If the table is breaking bad and you are not making any balls with less power but you are controlling the cueball, that is to your opponents advantage, not yours.
 
Tons'O'fun said:
It's just a game, and I think Bruce may be obsessing over nothing.
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Tis a Game, but I would like to be better at the GAME. :D I see ZERO WRONG with that..... ;)
 
Tons'O'fun said:
There are a million theories about breaking and they could all hold water, but who cares?.

Fact is, the break will always be left to chance. There is no magic snake oil, no gaurateed makes, only chance.

The best pros still scratch on the break, knock the cueball off the table and hook themselves from the 1-ball.

By stating what works for me, I offer yet another one of the many ridiculous theories up for grabs. Am I right?, maybe, maybe not, but who cares?.

It's just a game, and I think Bruce may be obsessing over nothing.

It's like trying to crack Vegas, every hustler knows the way, but they all die broke.
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I wasn't trying to prove you wrong, because I agree with you about control, but I am just saying if the situation arises that the table is breaking really bad.
 
Tons'O'fun said:
Trying to get better at the game is great, but you've got tunnel vision on your break shot.
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While back I got into the Tunnel on the Draw Shot, now it is 110% better, and works like I want it to 80% of the time. Practice, Practice, Practice.

Just looking for some Pointer on the Break, and it appears that is what I got some Good Pointers

Thanks.... ;)
 
Normally i break from the right rail, using a rail bridge. But i find that if i try to kill the rack i end up scratching or leaving my opponent a nice rack to run lol. Plus some of the tables at the place i shoot at break very crappy from the side rails.

So i went back to breaking from the box. And setting the CB just past the first diamond, and anywhere in the break box. And it has worked pretty good lately. I use about 1/2tip of top english to kill the CB when it comes off the rack.

But then you only hafta worry about the CB getting kicking to a pocket by another ball.

But i can also break harder this way too.


dave
 
I also think I got to Cut MY BREAK SPEED Down a bit.... More PIN POINT Control, Less Speed..... :rolleyes:
 
Bruce S. de Lis said:
I also think I got to Cut MY BREAK SPEED Down a bit.... More PIN POINT Control, Less Speed..... :rolleyes:
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Here's what I know about breaking (all of this assumes breaking from the right rail near the string):

1. The object of the whole thing is to spread the balls out as much as possible, pocket at least one ball, and leave the cueball in the center of the table. All this needs to be done without ANY balls leaving the table.

2. If I'm flying the cueball off the table, that means that I'm stroking down on the cueball too much, and I'm actually executing a jump shot. The cueball is off the table bed when it hits the pack and just takes off from there...that means I need to level the cue out a little.

(the following assume that the cueball is NOT kicked by another ball)

3. If the cueball heads toward the left rail (or left side pocket), it means I hit the apex ball to the left of center. I need to adjust.

4. If the cueball heads to the right rail, it means I hit the apex ball to the right of center. I need to adjust.

5. If the cueball heads to the foot rail through the pack, it means I had top spin on the cueball.

6. If the cueball comes back toward the head rail it means I had draw on the cueball.

I try to break with stun. A center-ball hit (no english) just below vertical center to try to stop the cueball when it hits the apex ball. I break hard, but not harder than I can control.

If I break from the right side and come up dry (don't pocket anything), I move the cueball to the left half a diamond and try from there. If I still come up dry, I move to the left again. If I'm still having trouble making balls on the break, I'll try slowing the break down a little or speeding it up a little. (assuming I get all those chances :) ) The point is, if what I'm doing isn't working, I don't keep doing it....it's probably going to give me the same results next time and the time after...I change something.


Disclaimer:
This is only what works for me. I'm NOT a pro (but I saw one on TV once).
Your mileage may vary. Batteries not included. Some assembly required. Possible side effects may include paralysis, coma, and death, but are generally mild.
 
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Bruce S. de Lis said:
O.K. all you Nine Ball Experts, I have three questions about a Successful Nine Ball Break.

1. Where do you Spot your Q Ball?

2. Where do you Aim, assuming as you looking at the Pack/Rack 1 Ball is in Front, 2 Ball is behind 1 Ball to its Left as you face the Rack, 3 Ball is behind the 1 Ball to the Right.

3. Do you HIT Center Ball, or. apply English WHERE? Hit WHERE?

Last tell me if you are a Righty, or Lefty Shooter.

Help, and Suggestions Appreciated....
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Bump. This is exactly the type of question Mark Tadd should be answering.

Fred
 
Im not a pro either. But I have had some decent success with this.
I break from the right rail(Im right handed as well). Always around the string. I like to be a 1/4-1/2 a ball behind the string and about a ball width away from the rail, that way I have room to use a level stroke. I use about a 1/2 cue tip below center or about the position of a stop shot. I aim on a line
(see wei table.) the runs through the 1-ball down into the diamond left of the center diamond on the foot rail. I have had good success with this break at fast and medium speeds. If hit right, the 1-ball will go in the side and the corner ball will most of the time. This break is kinda tempermental like most. when it works its great, when it doesnt something must be changed.

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Just the way I play. My new Jerico Thumper really makes this a nice break, if I hit reasonably soft, otherwise the balls go everywhere. :D
 
I usuall break from the left side rail. I aim the CB through the 1-ball to the wing ball. I also look at the CB last before I pull the trigger.

Barbara
 
Thanks to everyone who replied

Tried a lots of tips, and I see improvement. Taking lots of notes while practicing, so I see a Great 9 Ball Break at Tunnels End...

Thanks again... ;)
 
here you go

I came across this same issue when i first started roaming on this fine site. i also came across Blackjack's page. It is probably my favorite pool link. The link i provide should help you out some. Again i just want to thank Blackjack for his site and all his insperational pool talk.



Link: http://www.davidsapolis.com/The_Break.html
 
Got to Practice MORE Today the Tips you all contributed.... Break is getting BETTER... That mean more to my liking, and easier for me to RUN OUT..... :D
 
You should

Barbara said:
I usuall break from the left side rail. I aim the CB through the 1-ball to the wing ball. I also look at the CB last before I pull the trigger.

Barbara
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Always check the rack before you decide which side to break from.
If someone knows you break from a certain point, they will rack to
minimize your break. Fornulately, most people trying to put a rack on
a side breaker tilt the rack the wrong way ... lol Plus, when they do
'rack' me on a side break, one of my front breaks works great.

Sometimes, the only difference between 2 good money players is
that one of them is much better at racking.
 
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