Nip type shot - hold tip of cue to shoot?

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A friend told me he heard of a shot to avoid a double hit (cue ball close to object ball)...

You apparently hold the tip of your cue near the ferrule and "rub" the tip against the cue ball in an upward motion? (So the movement of the cue is done with your hand holding the tip - tip moving in an upwards motion or something?)

Anyone heard of this shot or something similar? How do you do this? Is this legal (BCA)?
 
As long as something hits a rail or is pocketed after contact it is perfectly legal.
 
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Using an normal open bridge, you cue just place the cue tip very close to the cue ball and below center and then move your thumb up, bringing the tip of the cue up, touching the cueball as little or as much as you want, depending on placement of the tip. It originated from carom billiards.
 
Deadon said:
Using an normal open bridge, you cue just place the cue tip very close to the cue ball and below center and then move your thumb up, bringing the tip of the cue up, touching the cueball as little or as much as you want, depending on placement of the tip. It originated from carom billiards.
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Anyone know the name of this shot?
 
at pool school, bob (cane on this forum) showed us a way to shoot a close shot, also you could use it to shoot the cue ball so it doent go very far, but allowed you to completely follow thru on the shot. Its hard to explain, maybe he will chime in on this or you could pm him.....basically you jack up on your bridge, hold the cue close to your body and your arm bent to where your back hand is only a few inches from hitting your body and stopping. IF you lined up the shot first you could determine exactly how far your cue would go thru the cueball if at all, it was a very cool technique, i wish i could explain it better........cane???
 
Personally for these shots I really like to just grip the cue closer to the joint, that way I use my same stroke. I just have a very short stroke because the end of my swing is only an inch from the beginning of my swing. I just found this is the best way without doing a new stroke. Actually for me, my grip is almost completely on the forearm except maybe my pinky which is still on the grip. If you shorten your stroke enough you can't follow through for a double hit.
 
Try any of those last ideas on a ball next to the rail (1/16) and the cue ball almost touching, or on an intentional foul in 1 pocket when you want to freeze up on a ball. Good luck. I believe that is what the original thread wanted explained.

Just my 2c worth.
 
Billy_Bob said:
A friend told me he heard of a shot to avoid a double hit (cue ball close to object ball)...

You apparently hold the tip of your cue near the ferrule and "rub" the tip against the cue ball in an upward motion? (So the movement of the cue is done with your hand holding the tip - tip moving in an upwards motion or something?)

Anyone heard of this shot or something similar? How do you do this? Is this legal (BCA)?
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It's legal, but difficult to successfully complete. I saw Karen Corr using it on TV once and even she managed to foul.
 
I think you guys are wrong, this upward motion is an illegal stroke....tip has to make a forward motion to make it legal...could be wrong but I have seen this called a foul in more than one occassion.
 
The shot as described by Billybob sounds extremely difficult to execute without fouling. The way he describes it, it is a foul as "rubbing" the cueball would be the equivelent of pushing it or maintaining contact for more than the instant a legal shot should take.

I'm sure there's a way to do it legally, but you'd have to ensure the upward motion of your bridge would have sufficient velocity to ensure you strike the cueball not allow the tip to travel upwards while still in contact.

I think I would look for an alternate shot rather than attempt this. It's too easy to get called.

That's the way I see it anyways.
 
catscradle said:
It's legal, but difficult to successfully complete. I saw Karen Corr using it on TV once and even she managed to foul.
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I saw that same shot, or at least it was Karen who shot it, and I recall she fouled by not hitting a rail .... quite a feat considering the cue ball was 1/4" from the OB, which was 1/4" from the rail ! I stopped watching that match right then and went into the pool room to try that shot out. Here are my observations on this shot :

It takes practice to get the cue tip set under the cue ball, I wiffed on many attempts by not having the tip under the ball. Be careful not to foul though, as it is also easy to do by sliding the tip just a bit too far.

The upward movement takes practice. After I got the hang of placing the tip properly, my first bunch of hits did not advance the ball much or pushed it way too much, I can see how Karen fouled. Then I tried placing the butt along the rail to act as a fulcrum point, and that worked quite well. It allows you to raise the shaft quickly (to get the ball rolling more than 1/2") without pulling back (miss or near-miss the CB) or rocking forward (way too much speed, this is a shot to get the CB to roll 1 or 2 inches (25 to 50mm) ). If a rail is not convenient I place by grip hand with a finger on the table to act as the fulcrum.

I first tried this shot about 2 or 3 years ago (after seeing Karen shoot it). Since then I have used the shot twice in league, perhaps 50 matches/750 games. It doesn't come up much ... I don't practice it anymore, but could likely (hopefully ? prayerfully ?) pull it off if needed.

Dave
 
Another variation

Another variation on this type of shot is to orient the cue
about 45 degrees relative to a normal straight on stroke.
Then move the cue along its axis across the cueball just
brushing the cue ball. A small drawing viewed from ABOVE
is attached below, hope it illustrates the method OK.
I used this in an 8 ball tourney in Las Vegas once and my
opponent's jaw dropped to the floor. It was witnessed by
a qualified referee and he called a good hit. Went on to
win the tourney.
 

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That's a good illustration Karinann. I've read about this shot, in effect it's knocking the cueball sideways with the tip of the cue.

It's a pretty usefull shot to have in your arsenal, I imagine you'd get more ball movement than the shot described by Billybob.
 
Billy_Bob said:
A friend told me he heard of a shot to avoid a double hit (cue ball close to object ball)...

You apparently hold the tip of your cue near the ferrule and "rub" the tip against the cue ball in an upward motion? (So the movement of the cue is done with your hand holding the tip - tip moving in an upwards motion or something?)

Anyone heard of this shot or something similar? How do you do this? Is this legal (BCA)?
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FWIW, this shot is shown in Byrne's Complete Book of Pool Shots, he says the shot is a foul because its not considered a normal stroke or something like that.
 
ShaneT58 said:
Below is a link to an article written by Bob Jewett which he says the shot is legal and gives other variations of the shot.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-10.pdf
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Fascinating. I've never heard of the drop shot (shot B) before.

I once saw someone execute shot D in a tournament, and there was some confusion about whether it constituted a "forward stroke" and whether a forward stroke is even required. The referee called it a legal shot.
 
i've played in tournaments where they specifically outlawed that 'lift' shot. so it must be legal somewhere...right?

-s
 
the first person to show me the proper way to do this was Rick Howard. the ball indeed moves forward and the way he showed it appears to be quite legal
 
ShaneT58 said:
Below is a link to an article written by Bob Jewett which he says the shot is legal and gives other variations of the shot.

http://www.sfbilliards.com/articles/1997-10.pdf
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Wow! Those are some cool shots. Thanks, I know this will help me to play better safeties with certain close shots in the future. Solves a problem I have had with hitting too hard in these situations.

BTW the guy who started all this and got me to ask about this (here) is a beginning player who I can usually win against. He was just poking around on the internet and found it somewhere (could not remember where). So a big thanks to my friend. (I will of course give him a copy of the above to return the favor...)
 
How about the following shot? Legal?

You rest the butt of your cue on the rail, then stand next to the short rail near the tip of your cue. With one hand, you hold the tip of the cue above the edge of the cue ball. Then with the other hand, you press down on the tip.

Or you could do this with the upwards shot discussed above.

Basically you are standing on the side of your cue with butt resting on rail and causing the tip to move up or down using both hands on the tip end of the cue.

(New Wei, just click on link...)

http://CueTable.com/P/?#3BasH3PWqI3...e_near_tip&&ZZ4raCwButt_resting_on_rail&Z&ZZ#
 
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