No golfs not dead and The PGA shows its class

trob said:
How many people are watching at home is what matters
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Yup.

I don't even play golf and I watch every weekend. Golf, once the game and rules are understood, is a wonderful sport. The only people that think it is boring to watch, are the people that don't understand it. To me, watching basketball is boring as can be.
 
trob said:
The crowds don't mean a thing. There will always be plenty of people to shiw up and watch a major. How many people are watching at home is what matters. That's where you get that big corporate sponsorship that fuels the sport and unless your head is stuck in the sand those numbers have plummeted . nobody but hard core golfers gives gives a crap about rory. . You have any idea how many people watched golf who never played to see what tiger would do? Maybe your a tiger hater and that's ok but what he did for golf goes beyond being the greatest golfer in history.
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Jacks the greatest golfer who ever lived and he did it by beating the largest group of champions and without steroids and has done far more for golf as a whole than Tiger has and off the course Tiger can't pick his pants off the ground I guess you haven't heard of Arnies Army either
Tiger did bring in many casual viewers and a whole other fan base , African Americans
durring the best economy yrs in history certainly with Tigers failures on and off the course it will have some impact but Golf is much bigger than Tiger and will still be around long enough for people to ask who is tiger



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I've seen a lot of great sportsmanship at the end of pool tournaments as well.
For instance, how may times have the two finalists in a 9B tournament "split" the pot
just so everybody can get home before the sun rises><:smile:
 
trob said:
A golf course is closing right now every 48 hours in this country and by the ratings no tiger.. no one cares.. yea it's dyeing. I don't think it will get to the level of pool dyeing but the glory days tiger woods provided are definitely behind.
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Yea that ain't doing to well either. Lol we can argue all day but the numbers prove me right. It's no where near as poplar as it was lol now here is something we can all agree. Pool WISHES it was as dead as golf lol


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one stroke said:
Jacks the greatest golfer who ever lived and he did it by beating the largest group of champions and without steroids and has done far more for golf as a whole than Tiger has and off the course Tiger can't pick his pants off the ground I guess you haven't heard of Arnies Army either
Tiger did bring in many casual viewers and a whole other fan base , African Americans
durring the best economy yrs in history certainly with Tigers failures on and off the course it will have some impact but Golf is much bigger than Tiger and will still be around long enough for people to ask who is tiger



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This is my last post because arguing with uniformed people like you is a waste of time.
1) when or who has even proven or showed tiger used steroids
2) tiger cheated on his wife. So what. Yea I'm sure none of those old guys from your era banged groupies after tournaments. They went directly to church I'm sure lol
3)you can't compare who played better. They were from different eras with vastly different equipment and course set ups. No one denies tiger had the greatest 10 year run anyone ever had in golf. Sadly I think he is done. I don't think his back will let him put the work in.
4) I never said golf was going to die off. Of course not. There just no where near the popularity they were. I saw and interview with your hero Arnie who was the number 1 course designer in the world. He has zero jobs in this country. No one has any plans to build large courses because there closing faster then they can open. The game is on a down trend and the golf courses are getting so desperate there beginning to have courses with holes the size of pizza treys to make it easier. How much evidence do you need

But at the end of the day in relevance to this forum pool wishes it was in the condition golf currently is lol
 
trob said:
I'm sure none of those old guys from your era banged groupies after tournaments. They went directly to church I'm sure
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Reminds me of the day I walked The International at Castle Pines with one of Tom Watson's groupies.
 
itsfroze said:
This says it all ^^^^^^^^

When players don't know how they're going to get the expenses up for the next tournament. it changes things, a lot.
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Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

The two have to appear together to make the whole process work. It isn't a one or the other deal to make.

In the 50's before the big payouts, golfers decided by themselves to FIRST put quality into their product, THEN reap the benefits. The law of the farm, so to speak. It worked.

It's a lesson pool players who want a tour had better learn.

Jeff Livingston
 
...yesterday’s coverage of the final round of the golf tournament did see a 36% rise in metered market
ratings over last year. With Rory McIlory’s dramatic win, the 3 PM – 9 PM PGA Championship earned a 6.0/13
in household ratings – that’s the best the golf coverage has done since the 7.5/17 result of 2007. From 7 PM to 9 PM,
the PGA Championship final round got a 2.4/8 among Adults 18-49 in preliminary ratings. Added all up, CBS won
the night with a 2.0/7 rating and 9.02 million viewers.
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http://www.deadline.com/2014/08/tee...tingd-pga-championship-cbs-rising-star-falls/


fyi,

Jeff Livingston
 
itsfroze said:
This says it all ^^^^^^^^

When players don't know how they're going to get the expenses up for the next tournament. it changes things, a lot.
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If you are suggesting that golf tournament players were not considerate and did follow protocol back when they earned very little from winnings or endorsements I think you are wrong. The game was a gentlemens game back in those days too.

Prior to about the 1960s pro golf earnings were not huge like today. In those early days many golfers had difficulty making enough to cover expenses. Often they would help each other get through hard times.

Prior to about 1930 there were many 'independent' tournaments with little organisation between them, not unlike pool today.

The key was marketing and cooperation. The first might be achieved within the pool industry but the latter seems very difficult for pool imo.

Dave
 
DaveK said:
If you are suggesting that golf tournament players were not considerate and did follow protocol back when they earned very little from winnings or endorsements I think you are wrong. The game was a gentlemens game back in those days too.

Prior to about the 1960s pro golf earnings were not huge like today. In those early days many golfers had difficulty making enough to cover expenses. Often they would help each other get through hard times.

Prior to about 1930 there were many 'independent' tournaments with little organisation between them, not unlike pool today.

The key was marketing and cooperation. The first might be achieved within the pool industry but the latter seems very difficult for pool imo.

Dave
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Now hold on there, mister....First you want us to believe there is a country called Canada and now you want us to believe it has golf, too????

Weir a Mike wary of believing that, eh?

Jeff Livingston
 
Ranmar said:
The PGA would not be able to nurture such sportsmen if they were trying to package and sell miniature golf to a well heeled audience the way pool tries to package and sell rotation games.
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Oh snap!

Well said.

Snooker is the cue sport that most closely matches the PGA. It is also the most watched cue sport, has the most money, and is outgrowing all other cue sports to this day.

The people marketing pool have purposely tried to alter it from being seen as a "sport" and have pushed it into being a "game" and that has damaged pool's reputation and respect hugely from its golden age when it wad once well respected (<1940's).
 
chefjeff said:
Now hold on there, mister....First you want us to believe there is a country called Canada and now you want us to believe it has golf, too????

Weir a Mike wary of believing that, eh?

Jeff Livingston
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lol ... our best even comes from Saskatchewan these days ! And we are the place known for winter and then 2 months of bad skiing :thumbup:

http://www.pgatour.com/players/player.27436.graham-delaet.html

Currently #26 on the money list and #3 in GiR eh :cool:

His home town of Weyburn is only an hours drive from where our friend blu hog rider is from, about 4 hours south of me. They get a little more bad skiing down there, but still much winter.

Dave
 
DaveK said:
lol ... our best even comes from Saskatchewan these days ! And we are the place known for winter and then 2 months of bad skiing :thumbup:

http://www.pgatour.com/players/player.27436.graham-delaet.html

Currently #26 on the money list and #3 in GiR eh :cool:

His home town of Weyburn is only an hours drive from where our friend blu hog rider is from, about 4 hours south of me. They get a little more bad skiing down there, but still much winter.

Dave
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I noticed his game has stepped up a notch lately. Didn't he suffer injuries?

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
I noticed his game has stepped up a notch lately. Didn't he suffer injuries?

Jeff Livingston
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Ya, he was out for a while (10 months ??) and came back on a medical exemption ealier this year iirc .... after winning over $2.6M he will have a card for next year :thumbup:

Dave
 
trob said:
Yea that ain't doing to well either. Lol we can argue all day but the numbers prove me right. It's no where near as poplar as it was lol now here is something we can all agree. Pool WISHES it was as dead as golf lol
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You know what, here is the deal. I use to cover several PGA, Senior PGA Events for a couple of european publication years ago, supply em with photo. Those event are still going strong, plus events like the Phoenix Open, ATT Pebble Beach, etc. is still going strong every year.

Golfaholics will pay up to 35 bucks a day to walk around watch pros play in the heat of summer. Network News covers the The Big Golf Events, and the Golf channel is still on TV still because they have sponsors, and viewers.

So tell me when this same thing happen with Pool? Personally can not recall recently, and ladies 9 ball is no longer on TV if I recall.
 
DaveK said:
If you are suggesting that golf tournament players were not considerate and did follow protocol back when they earned very little from winnings or endorsements I think you are wrong. The game was a gentlemens game back in those days too.

Prior to about the 1960s pro golf earnings were not huge like today. In those early days many golfers had difficulty making enough to cover expenses. Often they would help each other get through hard times.

Prior to about 1930 there were many 'independent' tournaments with little organisation between them, not unlike pool today.

The key was marketing and cooperation. The first might be achieved within the pool industry but the latter seems very difficult for pool imo.

Dave
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All I am or was saying was the smaller the pie the more cut throat people seem
to become to make sure they get their slice. That's all, I'm not suggesting anything.
 
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