No heart? or just business?
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I used to frequent a tournament that had a break and run out jackpot, but it was HANDICAPPED.
If you stunk, you had the break, and regardless of if a ball dropped, you then had ball in hand, and you could make combo's on the 9. ALSO you could pocket the 9 on the break.
As the handicap got higher, you lost the 9 on the snap option, the ball in hand option, the pocketing of a ball on the break BEFORE ball in hand, then the combo option, all the way to where the TOP players had to pocket a ball on the break, and run the balls in order with no combo's on the 9 allowed.
THIS made it very difficult for the better players, and much more appealing to the middle ground and lesser players.
Also, the ticket was part of the entry fee, and extra tickets would only be sold to participants.
You'd see the good players getting their original ticket, and then maybe buying 3 more, where the little guys would go bananas and buy strips of 20 or 30. Somtimes even more.
Also when the tickets were bought, the name was written on the back so you couldn't transfer it to someone else.
I would think that you could look at it from either viewpoint. The guys who hand the player their tickets don't feel that they have a good chance to win but at the same time. Don't BACKERS fall into the same category? I mean. They are interested in maximizing their win %. They don't play because they can't, and therefore would rather invest in someone that is better suited to perform.
Plus you can't blame the guy who is getting the tickets. He just wants to make money regardless, and a free shot at cash is a good shot as far as most players are concerned.
If i was at a tournament, and some guy wanted me to try and snap off some jackpot, i certainly wouldn't complain. PROVIDED that it was all kosher with the room owner/tournament director.
Making sure that tickets were non transferable would stop this practice but would also probably affect the pot and how rapidly it grows.
Less people are going to invest, and one of the reason they DO invest is because THEY themselves don't have to pull the trigger if they don't want to.
Long as the room owner doesn't mind, it really doesn't matter i guess.
If you stunk, you had the break, and regardless of if a ball dropped, you then had ball in hand, and you could make combo's on the 9. ALSO you could pocket the 9 on the break.
As the handicap got higher, you lost the 9 on the snap option, the ball in hand option, the pocketing of a ball on the break BEFORE ball in hand, then the combo option, all the way to where the TOP players had to pocket a ball on the break, and run the balls in order with no combo's on the 9 allowed.
THIS made it very difficult for the better players, and much more appealing to the middle ground and lesser players.
Also, the ticket was part of the entry fee, and extra tickets would only be sold to participants.
You'd see the good players getting their original ticket, and then maybe buying 3 more, where the little guys would go bananas and buy strips of 20 or 30. Somtimes even more.
Also when the tickets were bought, the name was written on the back so you couldn't transfer it to someone else.
I would think that you could look at it from either viewpoint. The guys who hand the player their tickets don't feel that they have a good chance to win but at the same time. Don't BACKERS fall into the same category? I mean. They are interested in maximizing their win %. They don't play because they can't, and therefore would rather invest in someone that is better suited to perform.
Plus you can't blame the guy who is getting the tickets. He just wants to make money regardless, and a free shot at cash is a good shot as far as most players are concerned.
If i was at a tournament, and some guy wanted me to try and snap off some jackpot, i certainly wouldn't complain. PROVIDED that it was all kosher with the room owner/tournament director.
Making sure that tickets were non transferable would stop this practice but would also probably affect the pot and how rapidly it grows.
Less people are going to invest, and one of the reason they DO invest is because THEY themselves don't have to pull the trigger if they don't want to.
Long as the room owner doesn't mind, it really doesn't matter i guess.
That kind of happened at Dr. Cue in Seattle a few years ago when the break pot got over $1500. Every "A" player in the Seattle area was showing up to the weekly tourney there for their shot. 50+ players one week until they cut it down to a 32 max field so they could finish the tourney before 4AM. You had to be in the tourney to get your shot at the break pot though. Once it was won, there was 15 players the next week.
Solution?
Maybe you could have a deadline when this particular "version" of raffle ends (such as after May 1st, no more tickets will be sold until the money has been won...giving plenty of notice of the change). Then after all the money of this current event has been paid out, on consecutive tourney nights, you could then begin to have raffle tickets "signed" with purchasers names for the next "version" of events. For the moment, not much can be done with the current system without causing a lot of grief.
Maybe you could have a deadline when this particular "version" of raffle ends (such as after May 1st, no more tickets will be sold until the money has been won...giving plenty of notice of the change). Then after all the money of this current event has been paid out, on consecutive tourney nights, you could then begin to have raffle tickets "signed" with purchasers names for the next "version" of events. For the moment, not much can be done with the current system without causing a lot of grief.
You won't think it's so nitty when they give you the ticket and then you snap it off!Jimmy M. said:
Where is this tournament at?? I know some great shortstops that would come live there for a month for that kind of runout jackpot?? Would your pool room owner let some of the PRO's come in and buy tickets every week?? If not, He shouldn't let these locals do "Business" and give their tickets to the "A" player. Of course, I've never minded the gambling part of Pool it's the "Business" part that pisees me off.
drake......are you by chance todd......and if it were me i would play it ,not like if you miss or dog it you gotta match the pot.....just shows there are alot of guys up there that dont have any confidence in there ability.....a unknown decent player could make a killing off of the guys up there ,seeing as they are going to run from the cash but play for nickels and pennies.....i would not mind coming up and buying a few chances to get the money,and would have to split with anyone.....i would do my own work for my own reward......juston coleman
As I read the replys this thought came to me:
If a person buys a ticket and gives it to another player, isn't this just like buying a player in a calcutta ? The only difference here is the person making balls might just back out of the deal and the ticket buyer gets cut out of the $$'s, whereas in a calcutta the buyer controls the winnings.
Are you going to let someone else always control your own fate. If you don't try, then you WILL NEVER RUN A RACK !!!
My personal opinion is that if you buy a ticket, play the game !!! This is the way it was intended to be played.
We have a break contest in our tournaments also but only the players in the tournament are drawn. This will cut down on participation but will keep everyone honest !!
Lisa
If a person buys a ticket and gives it to another player, isn't this just like buying a player in a calcutta ? The only difference here is the person making balls might just back out of the deal and the ticket buyer gets cut out of the $$'s, whereas in a calcutta the buyer controls the winnings.
Are you going to let someone else always control your own fate. If you don't try, then you WILL NEVER RUN A RACK !!!
My personal opinion is that if you buy a ticket, play the game !!! This is the way it was intended to be played.
We have a break contest in our tournaments also but only the players in the tournament are drawn. This will cut down on participation but will keep everyone honest !!
Lisa
Ted Harris said:You won't think it's so nitty when they give you the ticket and then you snap it off!
I have my own $5 to snap it off for myself
. I probably wouldn't do it if someone gave me their ticket. On the other hand, if it weren't for these people buying tickets for someone else, no tickets would be sold because you know half of these Phoenix nits wouldn't bet a quarter on themselves to run out (not to say I don't blame them )!
If they draw your name that's fine and dandy, but what if they don't? The idea is run the rack and win the money. Who cares who bought the ticket? You wouldn't do it someone wanted to go partners and let you take the ticket they bought? What if they tried to give it to you? You said no, that's kinda nitty. And they gave it some other player and he broke and ran out and got the $4,000. Hahahahahahahehehehe! Meantime, they are splitting the $4,000 while your standing there with your thumb up your bum! Hahahahahehehehehehe...Jimmy M. said:I have my own $5 to snap it off for myself
I guess the guy that broke and ran the game for the cheese
is now a nit! Hahahaheheheheheeheheheheeehhehehehee... 
Mike, I wonder how long this will continue?
The pot seems to be able to sustain itself (only 60%) payout. What if the balls were worth more? say $250 a ball? maybe the pot would dwindle?
Or, maybe the 'business' is to get all these players INTO the pool hall in the first place.. how quickly dose the place 'clear out' after the attempt is made?
IMO it looks like "all buniness".
I wonder what the business is like the other days of the week?
The pot seems to be able to sustain itself (only 60%) payout. What if the balls were worth more? say $250 a ball? maybe the pot would dwindle?
Or, maybe the 'business' is to get all these players INTO the pool hall in the first place.. how quickly dose the place 'clear out' after the attempt is made?
IMO it looks like "all buniness".
I wonder what the business is like the other days of the week?
The room is Alexander's here in Phoenix. My understanding is that on Friday, the person whose name was drawn did not break and run, but the owners decided to keep drawing names until someone won a smaller pot. Finally a player by the name of Bill Mielke (Out of Wisconsin) broke and ran for a little over $2000.
I don't know what happened Sat or Sun at the contest, because I was busy dogging my brains out at the Arizona State Championship.
Mike
I don't know what happened Sat or Sun at the contest, because I was busy dogging my brains out at the Arizona State Championship.
Mike
Sounds like Ron is trying to deflate the pot a bit. I wonder why. I will probably talk to him in the next day or so and see what I can find out.
Mike
Mike