No pushout allowed after the break in APA 9 ball league?

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justinb386

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Is it true that there is no push out allowed in APA 9 ball league?

I played in a tournament last night, and they played APA rules.

Anyways, on one of the opponents breaks (they played loser breaks too, by the way), I was hooked.

So, I asked if I could push out, and my opponent (and the TD) told me that there are no push outs allowed after the break (because that is APA rules).

I have not played APA 9 ball since 2002, but I do not remember that rule (no push out allowed after the break).

Just curious if that is true about APA 9 ball league (I assume they were correct, and it is true, but just wanted to be sure about that).

Thanks.
 
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Yes, no push out. Changes the game a lot.


justinb386 said:
Is it true that there is no push out allowed in APA 9 ball league?

I played in a tournament last night, and they played APA rules.

Anyways, on one of the opponents breaks (they played loser breaks too, by the way), I was hooked.

So, I asked if I could push out, and my opponent (and the TD) told me that there are no push outs allowed after the break (because that is APA rules).

I have not played APA 9 ball since 2002, but I do not remember that rule (no push out allowed after the break).

Just curious if that is true about APA 9 ball league (I assume they were correct, and it is true, but just wanted to be sure about that).

Thanks.
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Tony_in_MD said:
Yes, no push out. Changes the game a lot.
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I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this...

What would prevent me from soft breaking to get the CB behind the rack area? As long as 4 balls hit a rail, it's legal, but my opponent might not be able to see the one ball. Can't push = potential ball in hand for me.
 
I am sure you are not, no rules preventing this that I know. You see this all the time especially with lower skill level players.


BeiberLvr said:
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this...

What would prevent me from soft breaking to get the CB behind the rack area? As long as 4 balls hit a rail, it's legal, but my opponent might not be able to see the one ball. Can't push = potential ball in hand for me.
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BeiberLvr said:
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this...

What would prevent me from soft breaking to get the CB behind the rack area? As long as 4 balls hit a rail, it's legal, but my opponent might not be able to see the one ball. Can't push = potential ball in hand for me.
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Yeah, but do you think that you could get all of the balls spread out enough (with your soft break), to enable you to easily run out with ball in hand? I bet that Corey Deuel could really take advantage of a rule (or lack of the rule) that does not allow a push out after the break. He is a master of the break, and seems to figure out a lot of new idea's on a break that puts things to his advantage.
 
Remember that the match in APA nine ball is decided by ball count. Make as many balls as you can, then duck, is an effective strategy, when over the course of the match, a player may just need to average 4 balls a rack.


justinb386 said:
Yeah, but do you think that you could get all of the balls spread out enough (with your soft break), to enable you to easily run out with ball in hand? I bet that Corey Deuel could really take advantage of a rule (or lack of the rule) that does not allow a push out after the break. He is a master of the break, and seems to figure out a lot of new idea's on a break that puts things to his advantage.
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BeiberLvr said:
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this...

What would prevent me from soft breaking to get the CB behind the rack area? As long as 4 balls hit a rail, it's legal, but my opponent might not be able to see the one ball. Can't push = potential ball in hand for me.
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Technically you're not allowed to soft break or safety break. Page 12 under the Breaking section. http://media.poolplayers.com/TMRB/2014-Rulebooklet.pdf
 
Did the TD think that you were sandbagging even though you don't play APA? How did you do in the tournament?
 
justinb386 said:
Is it true that there is no push out allowed in APA 9 ball league?

I played in a tournament last night, and they played APA rules.

Anyways, on one of the opponents breaks (they played loser breaks too, by the way), I was hooked.

So, I asked if I could push out, and my opponent (and the TD) told me that there are no push outs allowed after the break (because that is APA rules).

I have not played APA 9 ball since 2002, but I do not remember that rule (no push out allowed after the break).

Just curious if that is true about APA 9 ball league (I assume they were correct, and it is true, but just wanted to be sure about that).


Thanks.
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I'm surprised that when you asked they even knew what a pushout was!!
 
Tony_in_MD said:
Remember that the match in APA nine ball is decided by ball count. Make as many balls as you can, then duck, is an effective strategy, when over the course of the match, a player may just need to average 4 balls a rack.
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Oh, I forgot that is how 9 ball APA league is played. It was just regular 9 ball in the tournament though (where the 9 ball is the game winner).
 
Allen Brown said:
Did the TD think that you were sandbagging even though you don't play APA? How did you do in the tournament?
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It was my 1st time playing (and I was an unknown, so they ranked me as a 6, only because 1 guy that I knew vouched for me). I won the tournament and all of the calcutta money (around $350, yay), and I am now banned from the tournament. Never allowed to play in it again (unless I join the APA, and become established). By the way, the TD does not allow 7's or higher ranking players into the tournament. It was pretty clear to me (after talking to him about it), that he wants the lower ranked players to have the best chance of winning, so he makes the races just about as short as possible (like when I played a 4, I had to go to 4 games, and the 4 had to 2 games), and this was 9 ball, and loser breaks. It was actually 8 ball on the winners side, and 9 ball on the losers side (I lost my 3rd match, so had to play all 9 ball matches to get to the finals). I asked the TD why not extend the 9 ball races by just 1 game (for example 5-3 race instead of a 4-2 race), and he told me that if he started doing that then the lower ranked player would have much less of a chance at winning (which is probably true). In 9 ball, I like longer races. Anything can happen in a very short race.
 
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Jeff Rosen said:
I'm surprised that when you asked they even knew what a pushout was!!
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Oooh what a zinger! :rolleyes:

We have a weekly tournament here, race to your APA skill level, if you dont play APA the room owner assigns you a skill level (he knows everyone and wont under handicap them).

Modified rules, no points, just the 9 wins. Push out. Jump cues. No 3-foul. Sets it up like our APA Grand Prix Tournaments, levels 2-5 on one bracket and 6-9 on another, somehow merges them at some point. Someone from the 2-5 bracket is assured at least 3rd place. Gets more participation and a bigger payout.

Lots of fun.
 
A good player could play safe every break unless there is a rule regarding how many balls have to go up table or contact a rail.
 
Maybe not..,

justinb386 said:
Yeah, but do you think that you could get all of the balls spread out enough (with your soft break), to enable you to easily run out with ball in hand? I bet that Corey Deuel could really take advantage of a rule (or lack of the rule) that does not allow a push out after the break. He is a master of the break, and seems to figure out a lot of new idea's on a break that puts things to his advantage.
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The soft break doesn't always work out so good on older or dirty felt, it looks great on new felt, but not so much when its worn or with a set of dirty balls.

Corey might have to change his strategy if he were playing someone is speed under those conditions.
 
BeiberLvr said:
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think of this...

What would prevent me from soft breaking to get the CB behind the rack area? As long as 4 balls hit a rail, it's legal, but my opponent might not be able to see the one ball. Can't push = potential ball in hand for me.
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APA requires you break as hard as you can with control.

Any rules with a number of balls also stipulates breaking hard enough just to comply with that rule does not mean you can't be penalized for doing it.

In addition, your plan may work against lower level players but it won't work against higher level players that either have the ability to get a good hit and tie you up or are smart enough to make sure you don't have a very easy run out, even with ball in hand, after they leave the table.
 
justinb386 said:
Oh, I forgot that is how 9 ball APA league is played. It was just regular 9 ball in the tournament though (where the 9 ball is the game winner).
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Wow , that sucks. No push out and no jump cues in a tournament that is non-apa event but uses APA rules which is basically, no jump cues and no push outs. Why?
 
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