No Show Captain

[justadub]

I know it doesn't make sense. Since its a cash payout league, it ends up hurting his pocket.

I really do appreciate everyone posting their responses on this subject.

As far as starting another team, it can't be done. The league is full and the LO has a 2 page waiting list of folks that are really wanting to get into the league.

I'll see how the next couple of weeks go and make a decision as to whether I stay or go but if I go, I won't wait until end of session as I see no sense in staying all steamed up about it. I'll have the LO put me on the waiting list in the hopes that I can land on a team where the captain is a little more dedicated.

Wow, two page waiting list?

And a league that is "full"? Never heard of such a thing.

Strange. In a good way, of course.

I think the only other option (beyond what you stated that you plan on doing) is to get the other teammates that agree with you together, and have you all see the LO together. Perhaps the show of unity can persuade him/her to remove the captain while allowing the team to remain in place.

Good luck, however you decide to go about it.

 

[Six Shooter]

Wow, two page waiting list?

And a league that is "full"? Never heard of such a thing.

Strange. In a good way, of course.

I think the only other option (beyond what you stated that you plan on doing) is to get the other teammates that agree with you together, and have you all see the LO together. Perhaps the show of unity can persuade him/her to remove the captain while allowing the team to remain in place.

Good luck, however you decide to go about it.

Lol Dub.

I had never heard of it either until I got up this direction. I've seen the waiting list.

I think this LO is probably one of the best I've had the pleasure of knowing. He's puts nothing in his pocket from the league so outside of green fees, everything goes back into the league.

Everyone has had some good input here and again I 'preciate it.

Two of the teammates are pretty good friends of el capitan but you can see that even they get a little miffed about him not showing up. It's probably unlikely that they would jump in to oust him.

I'm not sure if the LO can actually use that special power to remove him or not or if he would actually remove him.

Trust me, I've thought of most everything that has been mentioned.

I guess I just posted this thread to get reinforcement in what I was contemplating or maybe even a newer insight.

 

[leehayes]

Had something similar to this happen one session. We had a captain who was doing some questionable things including something that cost us points in the playoff race and we ended up missing the playoffs. We all got together and even though we couldn't vote him off the team we all started a team the next session without him.

 

[JC]

I know it doesn't make sense. Since its a cash payout league, it ends up hurting his pocket.

QUOTE]

No wonder you have a waiting list to play in that league. Apparantly the payout is more than the weekly fees. How else could it be "hurting his pocket" to not play? Now this whole thread isn't making sense.

JC

 

[TCo]

coup d'état

Simply put, if he's not there he's not your captain. Regardless of what the normal responsibilities of a captain are, he can't do them from work.

A coup d'état is the answer.

 

[Six Shooter]

I know it doesn't make sense. Since its a cash payout league, it ends up hurting his pocket.

QUOTE]

No wonder you have a waiting list to play in that league. Apparantly the payout is more than the weekly fees. How else could it be "hurting his pocket" to not play? Now this whole thread isn't making sense.

JC

JC,

The LO takes 40% of the prize fund every week and sets it back to end of session where we have a small catered banquet on the last night.

During play, we are all jockeying for final position on the season.

1st place payout comes in at or around $900-1000.

We ended up in 2nd place and our payout was @ $750.

It is then divvied up amongst the team based on a total of how many matches/weeks is played per player. Not based on win/lose.

Teammates that have to double up because someone misses a week, etc., are entitled to a bigger cut of the team's payout.

In essence, the captain is short changing his own pocket while also creating a problem for the team in terms of just not fulfilling what I see are his responsibilities as captain.

I'm not worried about the effect on his wallet. I just make mention of it since there is a payout.

My concern is the effect it has on the team to have someone who wants to lead a team but doesn't have enough decency to show up at least on a somewhat consistent basis but yet expects the rest of the team to be there as planned.

 

[hang-the-9]

Leave the team/start a new one.

When I formed a team for a Master's league, I was sitting there during every one of the matches, very rarely would I even leave to play someone else when it was not my turn, much less not be in the pool hall at all.

Team captain, manager/supervisor at work, all mean extra work and effort. If not, you are not fit for the position.

Yes I'm a league player.


Let's say the captain doesn't show up very often to play. Once every few weeks or so.

Sometimes to pop in for a bs session for a half hour then leaves.

I know that work is taking up some of that time which he can not be faulted or the occasional illness which also can't be faulted.

Other than that, I see no valid reason for him not to show up and at least lead the team or support it.

What would you do? There are no local bylaws so voting him out is not an option.

 

[hang-the-9]

I agree with most of what you wrote, but I don't think the captain needs to be a top two player on the team.

That's iffy, I'd want someone with at least equal or better knowledge than the rest of the team if not an outright better player physically (I separate those two because I know from experience that some players can make balls better even if they don't know a lot of safety play or how to use spin/speed properly). Unless you are talking about a large team of 10 where even the #3 guy is pretty good.

 

[Six Shooter]

Last night was week 5 of 18.

Captain e-mailed us all at about 3:45 EST and stated he wouldn't be there. Claims to have worked for 48 hours straight which may very well be true.

Out of the 5 weeks we have had in this session, he's been there once. At least we were not short on the lineup since we are allowed to roster 7.

I'm pretty sure my mind is made up that I'll not leave my good teammates hanging. It would be wrong to do that to them. Especially, since we have one out that has had hip replacement surgery recently and will not be able to attend until probably April.

I'll finish the session and not sign up for the next one. I'll just have the LO put my name on the waiting list.

 

[cardiac kid]

Six Shooter,

Your league is full? Two page waiting list? Last time I checked, the BCAPL does not have paid franchises. You or someone with some time on their hands should contact BCAPL about starting a new league. My guess is the current LO has a territory covering part of D.C. Not the entire area. If your current league plays Monday and Wednesday, the new league might play Tuesday and Thursday. You might find his area is only East or West of the Potomac River. Lots of area for a new league to start up. You won't make lots of money. There are other advantages though. Contact glenna@playcsipool.com. She might be able to help you. Another idea may be to sanction with the ACS. Contact jlewis@americancuesports.org. Their rules package is very similar to the BCAPL. They also have a great albeit smaller National tournament in Vegas. Either way, have fun playing pool!

Lyn

 

[JC]

JC,

The LO takes 40% of the prize fund every week and sets it back to end of session where we have a small catered banquet on the last night.

During play, we are all jockeying for final position on the season.

1st place payout comes in at or around $900-1000.

We ended up in 2nd place and our payout was @ $750.

It is then divvied up amongst the team based on a total of how many matches/weeks is played per player. Not based on win/lose.

Teammates that have to double up because someone misses a week, etc., are entitled to a bigger cut of the team's payout.

In essence, the captain is short changing his own pocket while also creating a problem for the team in terms of just not fulfilling what I see are his responsibilities as captain.

I'm not worried about the effect on his wallet. I just make mention of it since there is a payout.

My concern is the effect it has on the team to have someone who wants to lead a team but doesn't have enough decency to show up at least on a somewhat consistent basis but yet expects the rest of the team to be there as planned.

How much are your weekly fees? How much was your share of the $750? How much was "profit"? Our leagues aren't competitively balance enough for the rank and file to agree to top heavy payouts.

JC

 

[Six Shooter]

Six Shooter,

Your league is full? Two page waiting list? Last time I checked, the BCAPL does not have paid franchises. You or someone with some time on their hands should contact BCAPL about starting a new league. My guess is the current LO has a territory covering part of D.C. Not the entire area. If your current league plays Monday and Wednesday, the new league might play Tuesday and Thursday. You might find his area is only East or West of the Potomac River. Lots of area for a new league to start up. You won't make lots of money. There are other advantages though. Contact glenna@playcsipool.com. She might be able to help you. Another idea may be to sanction with the ACS. Contact jlewis@americancuesports.org. Their rules package is very similar to the BCAPL. They also have a great albeit smaller National tournament in Vegas. Either way, have fun playing pool!

Lyn

That's true cardiac. I didn't think about starting one up. Thank you.

Truthfully, I'm not sure how long I'll be here in the VA, DC, MD area. Job has a tendency to transfer out of the blue so I wouldn't want to take on that mantle then find out I'll be transferred and leave a whole league hanging.

 

[JuicyGirl]

Being in the APA myself, I'm not at all clear on how the bcapl system works well. However, I am the captain of my team and I expect me to be there or for my co-cap aka husband to be there. We are both bottom tier players and we look to our team mates for coaching guidance. So far we have been very fortunate that our team mates enjoy the game and the company of each other. We are very fortunate that attendance is very high in our group. Which is stark contrast to what our season looked like during the winter.
We had to give many forfeits and lost entire matches because of poor team management from the old captain, who was more interested in making himself happy than having a happy team.

While I can certain understand that we can't always be there, I will try to make every effort to be there.

Best of luck to you! I like the idea of starting a new league either bca or acs
Regards,
Loren

 

[Six Shooter]

How much are your weekly fees? How much was your share of the $750? How much was "profit"? Our leagues aren't competitively balance enough for the rank and file to agree to top heavy payouts.

JC

Weekly fees are $10.

My share was $98 because I was a late arrival to the league. I'd say I can close to breaking even since I wasn't there for whole session.

It was divided up 7 ways for 7 members. As mentioned before, the division is based on number of matches a player plays in that session. The captain's payout was much less than my cut. A couple of others made a little more because they were there every week and sometimes doubling up when the nightly roster couldn't be met.

 

[Six Shooter]

Being in the APA myself, I'm not at all clear on how the bcapl system works well. However, I am the captain of my team and I expect me to be there or for my co-cap aka husband to be there. We are both bottom tier players and we look to our team mates for coaching guidance. So far we have been very fortunate that our team mates enjoy the game and the company of each other. We are very fortunate that attendance is very high in our group. Which is stark contrast to what our season looked like during the winter.
We had to give many forfeits and lost entire matches because of poor team management from the old captain, who was more interested in making himself happy than having a happy team.

While I can certain understand that we can't always be there, I will try to make every effort to be there.

Best of luck to you! I like the idea of starting a new league either bca or acs
Regards,
Loren

Good luck to you as well Loren.

Kudos to you and husband fulfilling the captain and co-captain commitments.

I think the one thing that just gripes my ass is that it takes very little effort to be captain in terms of a much broader picture, yet our captain can't or won't even muster that little bit of effort.