No slop 9 ball or 10 ball ?

iowa_player

iowa_player

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I really like playing no slop meaning intended pocket . You shouldn't have to call the obvious shot but that's up to you and your opponent . My question is this say your opponent is shooting a ball in the corner and misses it the ball goes two rail into the side pocket . Now he loses his turn at the table because this was a slop shot but should the pocketed ball get spotted or should it stay down ?

What do you think about taking the slop out of nine ball & ten ball ?
I have seen it way to many times where someone is shooting the money ball in the corner and misses the pocket goes two rails off a ball in another corner . Why on earth should a player be rewarded for missing a ball ?

Thanks ... Larry
 
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On a bar table, there isn't a choice. On a regular table, it depends what rules you play by. The book of rules published by the American Billiards Congress states that you call the ball and call the pocket. So if you slide it down a rail and pocket it, that counts. An if it kisses another ball and goes in, that too counts. And if you call a corner pocket, miss it so bad that it goes four rails and in, that will count. Them's the rules and it saves many, many arguments to play this way. That's been my experience.

Over time, I think the slop evens out, but some players do seem luckier than others.
 
The ball should stay down, spotting balls in a rotation game can often serve to screw over the incoming player.

Although it is not fair to reward a player for missing a ball it is also unfair that player A can run 8 balls and miss the 9, allowing player B to win by virtue of pocketing a hanger.

My point is that 9 ball and 10 ball are broken games. Howabout we all play some rotation.

To answer the question posed, I would favor call shot. I have seen a version of the game where a player would have to call safeties as well. Should a miss occur, the incoming player has the option to shoot.
 
9BallPaul said:
On a bar table, there isn't a choice. On a regular table, it depends what rules you play by. The book of rules published by the American Billiards Congress states that you call the ball and call the pocket. So if you slide it down a rail and pocket it, that counts. An if it kisses another ball and goes in, that too counts. And if you call a corner pocket, miss it so bad that it goes four rails and in, that will count. Them's the rules and it saves many, many arguments to play this way. That's been my experience.

Over time, I think the slop evens out, but some players do seem luckier than others.
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This has bugged me forever . I was playing cheap sets of 9 ball last week on a barbox race to three and I am spotting him the breaks . First set first game he is shooting the 7 ball and misses it but makes the 9 ball in the side 1 - 0 him ! Second game he snaps the nine on the break 2 - 0 him ! Third game he breaks dry I have no shot so I play safe . He kicks around 500 miles per hour gets a hit and makes two balls he then gets to the nine ball shoots it in the corner only to miss it and the nine goes two rails in the other corner down table . 3 - 0 he wins the first set ! Second set I ran out every time he missed so I win the second set and he quits :(
 
I have never heard of 9 or 10 ball being a called shot game in any tourney or gambling match. It is rarely ever needed in higher level competition anyways.
 
muttley76 said:
I have never heard of 9 or 10 ball being a called shot game in any tourney or gambling match. It is rarely ever needed in higher level competition anyways.
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I have never heard of it in a tourney either but in a money game you can set it up anyway you want as long as both players agree .
 
iowa_player said:
I have never heard of it in a tourney either but in a money game you can set it up anyway you want as long as both players agree .
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Absolutely you can, I just don't see why. If there are that many balls being slopped in, I think everybody would be better off just practicing, so they don't muss so darn often;)
 
muttley76 said:
Absolutely you can, I just don't see why. If there are that many balls being slopped in, I think everybody would be better off just practicing, so they don't muss so darn often;)
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Well I see people matching up with lots of diff. skill levels sometimes with big spots . Not everyone is a champion and you will run into ball bangers that just want to get the money ball rolling hoping to make it or slop it in .

I do understand what your saying as I have seen high level pool and play pretty sporty myself. I have seen SVB play live a few times and grew up around Jessie B and the QCA players . So im not a noob I do know the diff, between good players and ball bangers !
 
Not on any tour. Not in any major pool room that I know of. This issue came up a while back, after that was released, and after much hell was raised,I believe the WPA said that they were going to change it, as I remember, because that and another rule or two that I cannot remember, were not realistic.
 
muttley76 said:
Not on any tour. Not in any major pool room that I know of. This issue came up a while back, after that was released, and after much hell was raised,I believe the WPA said that they were going to change it, as I remember, because that and another rule or two that I cannot remember, were not realistic.
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how is NO SLOP not realistic???
 
iowa_player said:
Well I see people matching up with lots of diff. skill levels sometimes with big spots . Not everyone is a champion and you will run into ball bangers that just want to get the money ball rolling hoping to make it or slop it in .

I do understand what your saying as I have seen high level pool and play pretty sporty myself. I have seen SVB play live a few times and grew up around Jessie B and the QCA players . So im not a noob I do know the diff, between good players and ball bangers !
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Didn't mean to offend ya, I was just messing around. I know what you mean, and man, it can get frustrating when somebody is slopping em in, but in the long run,imo, either it evens out, or the missing catches up to them.
 
softshot said:
how is NO SLOP not realistic???
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Mainly because no one(pretty much all tournament directors, and just about all players) wants to deal with the hassle of a rule that doesn't make any real difference in the end. Good players tend to not slop balls in a whole lot. What would be next, asking people to call balls on the break?
 
if you are not calling your shots you are not playing pool...

if you want to put your money on poke and hope

go play dice....

if you want to bet that you are better than me.. tell me what you are going to do before you do it.. and then make it happen...

I won't let you slop one in and strut off like you meant it... of course I don't gamble.... I play pool...
 
softshot said:
if you are not calling your shots you are not playing pool...

if you want to put your money on poke and hope

go play dice....

if you want to bet that you are better than me.. tell me what you are going to do before you do it.. and then make it happen...

I won't let you slop one in and strut off like you meant it... of course I don't gamble.... I play pool...
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Great post !!!
 
softshot said:
if you are not calling your shots you are not playing pool...

if you want to put your money on poke and hope

go play dice....

if you want to bet that you are better than me.. tell me what you are going to do before you do it.. and then make it happen...

I won't let you slop one in and strut off like you meant it... of course I don't gamble.... I play pool...
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I've played for a living for almost 15 years now, so that isn't going to hold a heck of a lot of water for me.If someone is counting on pure luck(or slop) to win, they are going to lose. It just really isn't an issue in the long run, imo. I guess we just have to agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that:smile:
 
To all thoughs who say slop sucks or is frustrating ect..., If you think that slopping in a shot is the only luck factor you are wrong, I am not a very good player but I get tired of this whining, I see many top players pocketing balls and then getting luck kisses off other balls to get shape, or there speed is terrible and they end up getting shape on a pocket that was not intended. Its part of the game and if you pay attention you and anyone else gets just as lucky as anyone else or unlucky. If you want to see how good you play with no slop I have a challange for you.

Play call everything, you have to call the pocket and how it gets there as well as call how the cue ball goes around the table to get shape, I mean everthing, you have to call the rails it goes off of and the balls it goes off of and in the right order as well as the cue ball ending up within an unfolded napkin area. After doing this I suspect you will see how lucky you really are. Good Luck.

Just my opinion but I think there is to much whining, if your opponent is getting lucky your skill should out last the luck.

Nate.
 
NateSchoepf said:
To all thoughs who say slop sucks or is frustrating ect..., If you think that slopping in a shot is the only luck factor you are wrong, I am not a very good player but I get tired of this whining, I see many top players pocketing balls and then getting luck kisses off other balls to get shape, or there speed is terrible and they end up getting shape on a pocket that was not intended. Its part of the game and if you pay attention you and anyone else gets just as lucky as anyone else or unlucky. If you want to see how good you play with no slop I have a challange for you.

Play call everything, you have to call the pocket and how it gets there as well as call how the cue ball goes around the table to get shape, I mean everthing, you have to call the rails it goes off of and the balls it goes off of and in the right order as well as the cue ball ending up within an unfolded napkin area. After doing this I suspect you will see how lucky you really are. Good Luck.

Just my opinion but I think there is to much whining, if your opponent is getting lucky your skill should out last the luck.

Nate.
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Good post, imo
 
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