No To Corey Dueul ~~~~~ Yes To Nick Van Den Berg

[THE SILENCER]

back in 2001 corey dueul cleaned house winning every major tournament. people said "you watch, you see, he's gonna be the next biggest thing" i, however, said "NO, he will NOT" i felt, he was a one trick pony. meaning, he was the greatest shot maker on tour, however, he had nothing else to his game. his position was weak, his strategy was lacking, and there were no, how could i put it, he was a shotmaker, and that was that! now, i'm gonna tell you whi IS going to be the next big thing for many, many years to come,~~~~ NICK VAN DEN BERG this young lad, is a genius. it's simple, after studying every pro player on tour for 20 years, i know true champions, nick van den berg is the future of mens pool, every shot is scrutinized, nothing is done, until every possibility is thouroughly thought through. his execution and position is thee best. mark my words, nick van den berg, the "REAL" deal.

 

[satman]

I'll have to see it to believe it. I haven't seen or heard anything about him except for the Mosconi Cup. Anyone on here know anything about him? Sam

 

[Bob Jewett]

... mark my words, nick van den berg, the "REAL" deal.

If only he does as Earl suggested and learns to control his elbow.

Oh, and Corey spells his name some other way.

 

[Cue of Fury]

It is Corey Deuel.

 

[jer9ball]

You're wrong Bernie. I've seen them both play, as young hustlers and as young pros. Corey can be as good as he wants. Not to say Nick isn't a great player also. To say that Corey is just a shot maker is absolutely ridiculous. I've never heard anyone describe a world class one pocket player as just a shot maker.

 

[sniper]

I believe the two tangled at the Mosconi Cup in 2002 and Corey walked away licking his wounds, not much question who the better player is right now.

 

[Drake]

Isn't that when Corey came with "The best Shot ever shot in competition Pool"?? He missed the Nine that game....and Unlike Corey action. Anybody can beat somebody race to 5, I'm sure Corey would love to bet as much as Little Nick wants to if he would like to play. I agree Corey is not dominating the tour or anything...but He did just beat Efren playing Nine ball at Derby.

 

[Cardinal_Syn]

I believe the two tangled at the Mosconi Cup in 2002 and Corey walked away licking his wounds, not much question who the better player is right now.

I've seen the match.....Corey really should've won that...but 9-ball is a funny game and the rolls went funny on him.

 

[THE SILENCER]

all i'm saying, is pool is about controling the cue ball, and right now, no one, is controling the cue ball better than nick, and furthermore, he's not a flash in the pan like jon kucharo, or corey dueul, he will be "Thee" force to deal with, for many, many years to come.

 

[matthew]

all i'm saying, is pool is about controling the cue ball, and right now, no one, is controling the cue ball better than nick, and furthermore, he's not a flash in the pan like jon kucharo, or corey dueul, he will be "Thee" force to deal with, for many, many years to come.

I don't know about anyone. Johnny is doing pretty well for himself. Also, to say that Corey isn't a world class player anymore or even that he won't win anything major in the future is a pretty big statement. The guy won the US open. Even if he isn't playing well now, doesn't mean he won't do well in the future.

 

[satman]

Any one who has ever played great pool, is capable of snapping right back into gear. Corey is still maturing and if he don't quit the sport, he will win a lot of tournaments. They were thinking the same thing about Johnny, now look what he's doing. Sam

 

[LastTwo]

back in 2001 corey dueul cleaned house winning every major tournament. people said "you watch, you see, he's gonna be the next biggest thing" i, however, said "NO, he will NOT" i felt, he was a one trick pony. meaning, he was the greatest shot maker on tour, however, he had nothing else to his game. his position was weak, his strategy was lacking, and there were no, how could i put it, he was a shotmaker, and that was that! now, i'm gonna tell you whi IS going to be the next big thing for many, many years to come,~~~~ NICK VAN DEN BERG this young lad, is a genius. it's simple, after studying every pro player on tour for 20 years, i know true champions, nick van den berg is the future of mens pool, every shot is scrutinized, nothing is done, until every possibility is thouroughly thought through. his execution and position is thee best. mark my words, nick van den berg, the "REAL" deal.

Nick is a GREAT player, but he doesn't play like you say all the time. He had 3 chances to beat Efren in last year's WPC, but he made three careless positional errors that cost him the match. He tried to get too fancy, when he should have just opted for more simple position. I don't really mean to critique him, since he plays much better than me, I'm just pointing out that you are getting carried away.

Aside from that, I'd put my money on Pagulayan against him any day.

 

[Cardinal_Syn]

I've seen a few matches where Nick should have really bagged in the match but fail to do so. I don't know if he's a choker or wut or maybe he just needs to mature abit. But corey played good against pagulayan in the border battle. He still has it.

 

[Goof75]

El Nino...

I know Nick well enough to say that he has a miraculous natural stroke. He's a very mature player for his age and I have no single doubt he's got a great chance to become World champion in the next few years. He plays so easy and he controls the balls so well.

And the game against Reyes was not easy at all for Nick as Reyes is his favorite player. It's always difficult to play your idol.
And to be very honest, I don't think many players can say they've beaten Reyes live on TV with a few million spectators and supporters.

Anyway, it's a fact that more and more gifted players are popping up in the pro circuit from everywhere around the World. So don't be surprised to see names you've never heard before beating the hall of fame players soon...

Tom Penrose

 

[Rickw]

Corey was player of the year not just an Open champion. When Nick becomes player of the year, then you'll have something to crow about. I'm not saying Nick is not a good player but hey, they're all great players in the top 20. Look at Johnny Archer, he had a long hiatus form the top of the hill and now he's back. It's got to be really hard for any one player to be the king of the hill for a long time. That's what makes Efren so special, and that's why Nick thinks so much of Efren as he should!

 

[longhair]

Any one who has ever played great pool, is capable of snapping right back into gear. Corey is still maturing and if he don't quit the sport, he will win a lot of tournaments. They were thinking the same thing about Johnny, now look what he's doing. Sam

I apologize for being off topic, but what IS Kucharo doing these days? I saw him play just before he went pro and I was very impressed.

 

[Goof75]

El Nino...

Hi Rick,

You're right about Corey Deuel. He deserves to be looked at in a different way than just as an open champion. This, because of him being the player of the year. The same with Earl Strickland, Johnny Archer, Tommy Kennedy...

But are you not forgetting that being player of the year in the USA is not easy for a non-American? Here in the Netherlands, we consider Nick van den Berg, Niels Feijen, Alex Lely, Rico Diks, Gilliano Smit and Joel Kartowikromo to be the national phenomenals...

But again, players like Corey, Mike Sigel, Bustamente, and mister Reyes are not to be ignored. But the list of very knowledgable is too long too mention. That's why I didn't even bring up the subject and just kept talking about Nick...

The most important thing is that we all, as spectators or players, have different favorites. They make us enjoy watching them play the game. That's what's needed to promote the beautiful game of pool in this World.

Anyway, have a happy birthday this weekend.

Tom Penrose

 

[Celtic]

I apologize for being off topic, but what IS Kucharo doing these days? I saw him play just before he went pro and I was very impressed.

I don't have a clue as to the truth of it but the rumor I heard was that Parica spotted him a decent spot playing 9-ball and drilled him for the cash. This supposedly took alot of his heart and confidence out of the game. I saw the guy practicing in the Cue Club in LV before the BCA 9-ball pro event and I must say, he was awesome smooth.

 

[Celtic]

Hi Rick,

You're right about Corey Deuel. He deserves to be looked at in a different way than just as an open champion. This, because of him being the player of the year. The same with Earl Strickland, Johnny Archer, Tommy Kennedy...

But are you not forgetting that being player of the year in the USA is not easy for a non-American? Here in the Netherlands, we consider Nick van den Berg, Niels Feijen, Alex Lely, Rico Diks, Gilliano Smit and Joel Kartowikromo to be the national phenomenals...

But again, players like Corey, Mike Sigel, Bustamente, and mister Reyes are not to be ignored. But the list of very knowledgable is too long too mention. That's why I didn't even bring up the subject and just kept talking about Nick...

The most important thing is that we all, as spectators or players, have different favorites. They make us enjoy watching them play the game. That's what's needed to promote the beautiful game of pool in this World.

Anyway, have a happy birthday this weekend.

Tom Penrose

It is true that locals are likely to get more support and people hypeing their skills from their own home turf. But the problem with that arguement is that Busta, Efren, Immonen, Yang, Pagulayan, Souquet and other top pro players who are not American are getting large props in America despite their not being Americans. So if someone is not getting props in America it is not strictly because they are not from America, it is because they have not shown the world that they can dominate. Nick still has yet to prove he is a world beater. ATM he is just a phenomenal player who has not proved he can win the big prize. Victories in the Mosconi cup are limited in value, he needs to win a big tournament with a world class field like the US Open, The Worlds, or some other huge payday that pulls out a awesome field. Take a look at the tournaments Yang has won and some of the fields he has beat, that kid earned all the respect he is given and to give Nick the same respect when he has not nearly had the same success would simply be a dis to Yang and anyone else who has earned their spot at the top of the public minds.

As someone said, doubt Nick wants any of Corey for the cash. I don't think alot of people would say the same if you switch Nick out for Yang, or Busta or Efren, or Pagulayan, or Souquet, ect.....

 

[senor]

all i'm saying, is pool is about controling the cue ball, and right now, no one, is controling the cue ball better than nick, and furthermore, he's not a flash in the pan like jon kucharo, or corey dueul, he will be "Thee" force to deal with, for many, many years to come.

This reminded me of a topic that I haven't seen discussed too much....I would argue that it is easier for many foreign players to travel and play in tournaments. Not only is pool much more of a spectator sport in other countries, but other countries are more nationalistic. Players may be receiving government stipends or getting sponsored by large businesses in their country. Spanish players receive stipends, Chinese players, also. Most of the Philipinos are sponsored by Puyat.

Now, Corey can get any kind of sponsor he wants, but he is very marketable for obvious reasons. It's not that easy for other players, who need to place high in tournaments to make a living. I'd give it up after a while, also. Too much of a grind going from city to city.