She can chalk my tip anytime!!
Non-low deflection carbon shaft maker?
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Moe Szyslak
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Make sure your balls are clean first
Well, yes, the entire cues were tested. But that's what you're really interested in. The bounce height (percentage) will tell you what fraction of the energy will be transferred to the cue ball.
Break cues have very hard tips because it turns out that hard tips lose less energy during the collision so more energy gets into the cue ball. It seems that something like a superball could be even better, but that has never worked out.
For the no-bounce shaft, I wonder how it would test on the cue stick in the bounce test. To test it with shots on the table, I think two comparison shots against a similar standard cue would be useful:
- straight up and down the table for distance (or a break shot with a speed measurement of some kind)
- shooting straight up the center of the table to see how large an angle you can get off the end rail with maximum side spin
This is mostly unrelated to the OP's question, and if he wants to test cues, the bounce test with the full cue or a break speed measurement is the way to go. A factor that the bounce test does not measure is whether the balance of the weight in the cue suits the player.
NCC1515
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A little closer to the original question: Good CF 'play' shafts should have a wall thickness at 0.8 to 1.0mm. An 11.8mm CF shaft with 0.8mm wall, empty 8 to 10 inches behind the tip, can yield crazy low deflection, but so can a well made maple shaft in the same diameter, with a long 'pro' taper - so it can get 'whippy'. The CF break/jump shaft blanks that I finish for people are 1.2-1.3mm wall thickness and they are NOT low deflection. I always recommend brown linen phenolic as a break/jump tip and won't say that a Samsara break/jump tip is a bad choice, but it's certainly more expensive.
The Bull Carbon CF Shaft has 1mm walls. Point being the fact that they said it in the description must mean most CF walls are less than 1mm.
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ICE break shaft from Mike Johnson
If end mass = deflection, put more mass in front.
Do you know your break speed? I would start there, my break speed is a paltry 14mph, some pro's break at twice that speed, so I might as well quit right? Nope, speed x mass = force, if you add weight and maintain your speed you increase your power, I added 5.5 ozs to my break cue, it is now 24.5 ozs, BCA allows up to 25 ozs, is my break better? Yes, way better, is it at pro level, no, probably will never be but not every player has an SVB break.
Cues and shafts do not have power, they transfer power, I find most CF shafts transfer power more efficiently than most wood shafts but this is not always true, the important thing to remember is it's the Indian not the arrow, uncontrolled power is not going to help.
Predator makes a Revo Carom shaft that is explicitly matched in deflection to a standard wood shaft, which most of the carom players have been used to for decades. The low deflection craze had not made it to Carom games when the Revo Carom was introduced. Thus, Predator has a standard deflection Revo Carom, and a low deflection Revo Carom.
That's the only CF shaft I know of advertised this way.
Whether it breaks better for a pool break, I have no idea. But, it is what you asked for in your title and post.