Noob question but I can't make a ball frozen to rail with inside bottom, why?

[the kidd]

its like a rail first billiard shot

To get maximum draw and spin when ob on rail hit rail first. Haven't any of you done the trick shot where the cue ball in frozen at the end rail at the center diamond and the OB is frozen at the opposite end rail. Elevate the stick slightly and hit the OB on the left side just rail first using right hand spin on the CB sending the OB into the right hand corner pocket.

In situations where the object ball is on the rail and the shot would ordinarily call for low inside english, I like to use NO english and just play it with draw. The secret is to hit the rail slightly before the ball, which creates a tonload of contact-induced inside english. Thus, the cueball follows the same path as it would if you had applied low inside english, but without any compromise in accuracy. It doesn't take a whole lot of practice to get a feel for this shot and you'll LOVE the results! Good luck!

BTW, Cornerman and PoolBum will be amused to learn that I got this one from old Jim in the Campus Center poolroom.

 

[Pidge]

I had to give it a go. I've not read the full thread so I may have missed a post by the op but it would help to see where you are going wrong if you say how you're missing the ob. Over cut? Hit it into the rail?

Unless you are wanting running English to take off on the second rail the CB contacts there is no need to shoot it with inside bottom. If you want the CB to come back towards you stun right English will do that for you. To go down table follow the running English will do the trick.

Never the less, given your aim is correct to start with a thick hit will probably be due to the swerve. Level your cue as much as the table with allow. Adjust your aim to compensate for the swerve if you have to jack the cue slightly. I can't tell you what to adjust by, every table is different.

If you're not hitting the ob into the rail and still missing then its probably squirt that's making you miss. Its the same as above, experience and learning how much squirt your cue produces.

But yeah, good luck.

 

[Shazar]

Like if a ball is frozen to a rail on my right and I try to make it in with bottom left, the ball comes off track and misses every time. It has to be something I'm doing, surely this shot has to be possible.

Bottom left is relative to what side you are shooting to

If pocket was facing your right , you would use right English

Also this shot does not require draw only side spin

Key is impact point on rail

You must hit rail first, ever so close to the ball it almost hits

With the spin being hit in the same direction cue ball has to travel to meet object ball


Basically hit the rail first with side spin
By rail first , as close to hitting but not actually hitting object ball with cue ball

Cue ball them spins of rail and will slide your object ball into pocket

 

[EasyEJL]

Although I don't have that same issue as you had, reading this thread helped me resolve an issue I DID have, which was scenarios were the object ball was within an inch of the pocket(whether centered or on either rail) and I needed to make a shot with a lot of english to make position on my next ball.

So thanks all!

 

[naji]

If I had to guess, I would say you are hitting it too full. Keep in mind, the collision induced throw wants to push it into the rail & the spin induced throw wants to push it into the rail.

If you hit the rail a bit first with enough speed it will compress it slightly & the cue ball will rebound into the object ball a bit on the rail side. 'offsetting' the throws. Give it a try.

Good Luck,

Agree English! but want to add, the CIT and SIT are way too much if you stun the OB, if you roll there will be a little, but if you shoot it with speed rolling and OB & CB are clean there will be no CIT or SIT. However, cue deflection is major concern here make sure to bridge cue at pivot point or even beyond

 

[porper-sig]

If I had to guess, I would say you are hitting it too full. Keep in mind, the collision induced throw wants to push it into the rail & the spin induced throw wants to push it into the rail.

If you hit the rail a bit first with enough speed it will compress it slightly & the cue ball will rebound into the object ball a bit on the rail side. 'offsetting' the throws. Give it a try.

Good Luck,

Good advice here. I love this type of shot, aim a bit thinner (BHE) as you are down, just an ever so slight amount!

 

[subdude1974]

If you can make the shot with inside top, the difference may be that squirt/swerve are a little different with inside bottom.

But I agree with others that inside bottom is rarely useful.

pj
chgo

I guess I hit this shot better thn most. I have used this shot many, many times in many, many different situations and find that it is very predictable and very easy to get the ball somewhere with minimal force. Practice this shot and you will find that missing the ball is harder than making it.

 

[SMG]

If you you cut a ball to your right with right hand english, that's inside.
If you exit the building after you missed, that's outside.

I don't know why but that made me laugh hysterically.