Not letting a guy rematch?

[JB Cases]

What is this "etiquette" you speak of? We are talking about illegal (in most cases) under the table gambling. Are we really supposed to abide by some sacred honor amongst thieves bullshit that allows hustling and dishonesty to be okay?

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In every human interaction there are unspoken rules and certain courtesies. Otherwise people could not transact at all.

Among those who play pool for money the courtesy is that the winner should play again. That is just how it is. People who get a one and done rep usually find that they don't get any action unless the number of sets is agreed on.

 

[Rhino]

What is this "etiquette" you speak of? We are talking about illegal (in most cases) under the table gambling. Are we really supposed to abide by some sacred honor amongst thieves bullshit that allows hustling and dishonesty to be okay?

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Well, the way I see it, wherever you go, whatever you do, there is an accepted standard of decorum. In action, you advise if you've got a time limit, if you only want to play one set, or any other stipulation you have, UPFRONT. That is what gamblers do where I'm from. Thieves and nits quit up. Additionally, are you really arguing that because a contest of skill and will between two men is considered "illegal" by our disillusioned government, that we should act dishonorably amongst ourselves?

 

[Andrewk1988]

I have never played played one match, won, and quit. I've never played one match, lost, and quit either.

I'm getting to more of an advanced level of play and can play with and beat guys who used to say the ol cliché "nit" lines to me because I would lose 40$ in 5-1 5-0 and quit.

To me, that's just bullying someone into giving you money. That's where I got my attitude and stance on gambling in pool. I don't call guys nits and belittle them because they won't play me anymore, even though they didn't want to return that courtesy when the tables have turned.

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[JB Cases]

I have never played played one match, won, and quit. I've never played one match, lost, and quit either.

I'm getting to more of an advanced level of play and can play with and beat guys who used to say the ol cliché "nit" lines to me because I would lose 40$ in 5-1 5-0 and quit.

To me, that's just bullying someone into giving you money. That's where I got my attitude and stance on gambling in pool. I don't call guys nits and belittle them because they won't play me anymore, even though they didn't want to return that courtesy when the tables have turned.

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Anyone who calls you a nit because you lose and quit is a stone cold asshole and a nit themselves. Losers have the RIGHT to quit anytime they want to.

Some people will never understand the term nit. People who don't gamble on themselves playing pool certainly do not understand it even if they may be one.

The opposite of nit is heart. Someone who gets up to play even if they have the worst of it has heart. At the end of the day the guy who has heart enjoys pool more, the losses sting more and the wins mean more. It's not at all nitty to get up and lose two sets badly and quit.

That said there IS a type of nit gambler that does this move all the time, he will only play many sets as long as he is winner. IF he loses the first set he will pull up EVERYTIME. We call this shooting a toothpick at a lumberyard. Basically if I walk in with $1000 and the guy I am playing has $500 then he can get my whole $1000 and I expect that I could get his whole $500. But if he will ONLY risk $100 then I am essentially giving him a 10-1 shot at my $1000. Once I know a person to be that kind of nitty I simply don't give them action unless they agree to freeze up a certain amount. Which those type of NITS never do unless they have a clueless backer.

 

[Andrewk1988]

Thanks for that post JB. I think I have a me against the world mentality so I've had to learn a lot of the lessons the hard way. I appreciate that post because it validates that I have the right mindset. I used to have doubts if I was dumb or what.

Now I'm five times better and just as confident in myself. I just felt like people took advantage of me when I wasn't good. Not crying about it, just saying that's why I have a bit of a '**** the establishment' attitude.

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[Rhino]

I have never played played one match, won, and quit. I've never played one match, lost, and quit either.

I'm getting to more of an advanced level of play and can play with and beat guys who used to say the ol cliché "nit" lines to me because I would lose 40$ in 5-1 5-0 and quit.

To me, that's just bullying someone into giving you money. That's where I got my attitude and stance on gambling in pool. I don't call guys nits and belittle them because they won't play me anymore, even though they didn't want to return that courtesy when the tables have turned.

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I agree with you that some people use it to bully others. Those people are super-douches. Anybody that calls you a nit when you're down is a thieving nit using some-store psychology. But quitting when you're up after just one set.... Nitty city...

 

[Tennesseejoe]

Gambling is just like a business. You are there to make money. Assess the situation and if you are going to make more... then go for it. If you feel the risk is greater than the gain... bail out. But don't let anyone make you feel guilty. Don't get stuck on stupid.

 

[JB Cases]

Gambling is just like a business. You are there to make money. Assess the situation and if you are going to make more... then go for it. If you feel the risk is greater than the gain... bail out. But don't let anyone make you feel guilty. Don't get stuck on stupid.

I agree for hustlers and road players. For recreational gamblers it's not a business it's entertainment. If they lose then it's a sour taste and if they win then party time.

 

[Rackemep]

I honestly don't mind when someone steals one from me and then quits...It sometimes brings guys out to play that normally wont play.

The guys that bug me are the ones that are always asking for the world looking for a locked game...I had a guy that would always bug me "when are we gunna play some" I'd usually reply with something like "when ever you like" but then he would ask for the wild 6 out and the breaks or something crazy...One day I was feeling a little froggy and said fine lets do it...He back pedaled so fast my head was spinning...I figured it was a locked game for him. I don't understand guys like that....

 

[Andrewk1988]

I honestly don't mind when someone steals one from me and then quits...It sometimes brings guys out to play that normally wont play.

The guys that bug me are the ones that are always asking for the world looking for a locked game...I had a guy that would always bug me "when are we gunna play some" I'd usually reply with something like "when ever you like" but then he would ask for the wild 6 out and the breaks or something crazy...One day I was feeling a little froggy and said fine lets do it...He back pedaled so fast my head was spinning...I figured it was a locked game for him. I don't understand guys like that....

That's a great point. I don't like guys that ask for any kind of weight honestly. If you need the 6 or 7 out to play me, find someone else to play that's closer to your speed. I guess that's where I agree with calling someone a nit. I won't even bother. I'd rather play 8 ball for cocktails with your average league player than play some "I think I'm a hustler" guy trying to ask for the world in 9 or 10 ball. I might spot you a game or two on the wire if I feel like that'll make the game more fair.

As has been a running theme with me on this topic, I don't ask anything out of you and I don't expect you to ask anything of me.

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[Rackemep]

That's a great point. I don't like guys that ask for any kind of weight honestly. If you need the 6 or 7 out to play me, find someone else to play that's closer to your speed. I guess that's where I agree with calling someone a nit. I won't even bother. I'd rather play 8 ball for cocktails with your average league player than play some "I think I'm a hustler" guy trying to ask for the world in 9 or 10 ball. I might spot you a game or two on the wire if I feel like that'll make the game more fair.

As has been a running theme with me on this topic, I don't ask anything out of you and I don't expect you to ask anything of me.

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I dont mind giving up ball weight to make a fair game especially with newer up and coming players that are just trying to improve their game...Thats how I learned. I just don't like it when its something thats obviously a lock...

 

[Gsitz89]

So I was shooting, maybe 5 practice games of 8b on a 9ft with this guy I've never met. Looks like he plays better than me. He asked if I gamble. I said No, but I'll play. He brought up race to 5 for 20 and I said sure..

He went up 3-2 and I won the next 3 to win the match. He asked if I wanted to play again, I declined and said, "I've been here too long and am ready to go home." I had already been there close to 5hrs.

So is not letting a guy rematch bad gambling etiquette?

Even though it was only 20, but I think I will be a little irked if I lost to someone and they didnt give me an opportunity to redeem myself.

Most will say your a nit, but who really cares what someone else thinks about you? I mean I understand that most people who live in pool halls are scholars and everything but...

 

[Rhino]

Most will say your a nit, but who really cares what someone else thinks about you? I mean I understand that most people who live in pool halls are scholars and everything but...

It's not so much that he quit up that I take issue with, it's the circumstances. He spoke up to say be doesn't gamble, but couldn't speak up to say he was only going to play one set? Why? I think if he would've lost in a close set, he would've played another set. He didn't give his opponent that same opportunity, and openly admitted on here that he wouldn't like it if the shoe was on the other foot! Seems to me he is aware that what he did was unsportsmanlike.... Maybe it's not nitty, but it's definitely sh-tty...

 

[peteypooldude]

So I was shooting, maybe 5 practice games of 8b on a 9ft with this guy I've never met. Looks like he plays better than me. He asked if I gamble. I said No, but I'll play. He brought up race to 5 for 20 and I said sure..

He went up 3-2 and I won the next 3 to win the match. He asked if I wanted to play again, I declined and said, "I've been here too long and am ready to go home." I had already been there close to 5hrs.

So is not letting a guy rematch bad gambling etiquette?

Even though it was only 20, but I think I will be a little irked if I lost to someone and they didnt give me an opportunity to redeem myself.

If it was me, I would have ask if he wanted to play 1 game for the 20 I was up
I would not have quit like that . Flip a coin for it if times an issue
That's just me though and I'm a gambler

 

[gxman]

Had I lost, that would've been it. I would've still left. Its just that I was already shooting with the guy for about half an hr, thats why I took him up on the bet. I just didnt openly state that I was just going to play a single set.

I dont know how many times, I'm shooting with a buddy and one of these guys would walk by and ask If we gamble. We've always said no.

Btw, I'm just a C player looking to improve my game. Kinda amusing for another C player to go asking unknown strangers to gamble even.

Another guy that I'm an now an acquaintance with, beforehand he had asked us to gamble at least 2-3 times. Finally one day I shoot a few friendly non-money games with him and got to know him better. He tells me he shoots league 2 days a week and is an APA-5.

 

[logical]

You had no more obligation to play a second set than you did to agree to the first.

Way too much is being made of your having said you don't gamble but would play for $20. I take that as you saying you don't gamble regularly but would play. Its like saying I don't drink white wine but I'll try a glass since you think it's so good.

Yes, it may have been better if you would have made it clear that you'd play one set only but because you didn't and he didn't discuss it is open. For all we know the other guy would have stopped after one if he had won.

 

[DirtyJersey]

If a guy quits winner around here after 1 set w/o stating its 1 set beforehand his action is gone. Even guys who state they will only play 1 set usually find it hard to get any action.

 

[elvicash]

Can a poker player get up anytime they want, fold up the cash and leave.
Yes, so if you have not agreed to ## number of sets or play to a certain time, you can fold it up and leave when you want. They might not want to play again but that is their choice.

Anyone that says any different does not have a life outside the pool hall.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

So is not letting a guy rematch bad gambling etiquette?

Any time two players decide to get on a table and gamble they both need to understand & accept that either of them can quit any time they want, for any reason or no reason, no matter the bet amount or anything else. Players who don't understand this should not gamble.

The only exception would be if there's a prearranged set, match or amount of money that's been put up.

All anyone owes anyone else ever, is to play the set at hand. Nothing more.

ONB