Unless something has changed Dave Tice no longer makes cues, with or without ivory. Too many allergies to the woods.
To the OP - I do use ivory but I have never drank coffee. Might that not make me even??
Bob Danielson
Not looking for Ivory
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Unless something has changed Dave Tice no longer makes cues, with or without ivory. Too many allergies to the woods.
To the OP - I do use ivory but I have never drank coffee. Might that not make me even??
Bob Danielson
LMAO!!!!! Thats a good one !!!!! :smile:
But anyways ivory is here to stay in the billards world it does not matter if cues makes use them or not. Ivory sells thats the bottom line no matter where you go in the pool world you going to see it so get over all the hating about ivory.
Post #5 from the original poster........
Sure question #1 seemed innocent enough but Post #5 from the original poster has over tones in it that makes post #1 seem like the original poster is looking for more than just a cue with no ivory.
By making this statement he has opened up a whole new can and changed the meaning of question #1 entirely.
If you want to have a cue made, then have one made. Any cue maker, here or anywhere, will be (or would have been) happy to make you a cue with no ivory in it. Many of these guys offer ivory as an option, but that doesn't mean they're pushing the stuff, or actively seeking to sell it to anyone they can. It's an option. If you say, "I'd like a cue made with these material & theses specs, I don't want any ivory involved", you'll immediately have a cuemaker that is focused on your desired specs & materials, and how they can be made to interact to create (1) the cue you want, and (2) a cue that reflects their build methodology. End of story. There's no need to demean the principles of these gentlemen as if they were actively, premeditatedly, aiding & abetting in a criminal act.
This very board offers a Non Pool Related area that is rife with dissertations on all manner of political, humanitarian, etc, etc, issues. Please feel free to eschew your principals there.
This very board offers a Non Pool Related area that is rife with dissertations on all manner of political, humanitarian, etc, etc, issues. Please feel free to eschew your principals there.
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Some people like to support those who believe in the same things they do. If a guy wants a cuemaker who is a Christian and will not step foot in a bar, let him ask for one. If a guy wants a female cuemaker, let him ask for one. If a guy wants a cuemaker who is boycotting a particular company, let him ask for one. If a guy wants a cuemaker who will or will not use Ivory, let him ask for one. All I'm saying is to allow him to find a cuemaker with a specific standard, attitude, or preference WITHOUT punching him in the face and making him defend himself for simply asking. If you aren't what he's looking for, you have no need to stick around and speak up.
In his first post, he did not say anything wrong. He simply asked if there are any cuemakers who will not use Ivory. That doesn't say he does or doesn't want to buy from one. It just asks a simple question.
In his second post, he clarifies that he does not believe in the use of Ivory and, although he did state "Ivory is Bad" and another comment or two that might have been due to battle wounds that are still fresh, nobody had to come back and start up on the Ivory wars. The guy obviously wants a cue made by someone who has similar beliefs to his. End of story. He asked to find who those people are.
It must be pretty hard to find anyone who will buy a cue with Ivory in it, the way you guys defend it! You make it sound as if you have to convince someone, so you can sell some of your work. If it's that hard to sell a cue that has Ivory in it, I don't understand why you use the stuff. If it was an easy sell, you sure wouldn't waste your time trying to sell one measley person on it.
Ummm..two of the guys, without any doubt (I simply do not know one way or another about everyone), posting in this thread could sell about any cue they put up for sale. Hard to get them to even take a order, so doubt they care about pushing ivory or not. Its great that you don't like to use ivory, would seem the original poster should be calling you any time. No reason to get so defensive.
SoonerFan
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Jespiddlin,
You are right, in that the first post was innocent and just asking for what he was looking for. As a matter of fact, it was followed by a few posts giving sincere, honest suggestions to direct the OP to what he wanted.
It was his second post where he started to offend the very group of people he was asking for help from.
This is a difficult topic. You can find many experts who will argue each side of the problem. I think everyone deserves the right to view it the way they want to. I don't think it's right for anyone to insist that others see it his way.
Soonerfan
Andrew Mathias
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this is the post that prompted my second offensivepost. In that I stated clearly my opinions. I did not launch an attack on cue makers who use ivory never did I suggest that any one not buy from them, nor did I say that I would not. I don't buy ivory. I still listen to music played on instruments with ivory keys and I don't feel hypocritical in the least.
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dave sutton
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do hypocrites even know they are hypocrites? i dont think so...
Andrew Mathias
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I have mad people skills Im LMAO
After rereading my first post I can see how it could have been taken that I was trying to be an azz.This was not my intention and I would like to appolagize to Andrew Mathias.As for my second post I should not have wrote it without considering how the first post may have looked to him.I would also like to appogalize to anyone else I inadvertantly drug into the post.Again I appogalize to Mr Mathais for both my posts and unintentially stoking a simi-heated debate.