Not To Beat A Dead Elephant

about shark fins and elephants . . .

The Japanese are famous for catching sharks, chopping off their fin, and throwing them back into the ocean to drown, just so they can make shark fin soup which the dopes believe to be an afrodisiac.

Kinda a ridiculous.... especially when you could use the fin from any other fish, and NOBODY would know the difference...... but, that is human nature I guess.....kinda sad, but just a fact of life....


RJ,

I have to relate a rather sad story about shark fins. We have our share in the gulf and I decided to jump into peddling shark fins to the Asian guys. They want the dorsal fin that stands up on the shark's back for the properties of an afrodisiac. Problem is these only come one to the shark. There are other fins on a shark too and I decided that if I peddled a few ventral fins to these guys most of the dummies wouldn't know the difference. Sales were booming and I was getting three fins from every shark. Unfortunately there was a major backlash from my customers. Seems the problem was dorsal fins stand up, ventral fins hang down . . . . . Another promising enterprise shot to hell!


I did read a touching report about an elephant awhile back. Sometimes these 'heartwarming' stories are a bit too sappy
for me but this one is truly interesting...

In 1986, Peter Davies was on holiday in Kenya after graduating from
Northwestern University.

On a hike through the bush, he came across a young bull elephant
standing with one leg raised in the air. The elephant seemed
distressed,
so Peter approached it very carefully.

He got down on one knee and inspected the elephant's foot and found a
large piece of wood deeply embedded in it. As carefully and as gently
as he could, Peter worked the wood out with his hunting knife, after
which
the elephant gingerly put down its foot. The elephant turned to face
the man, and with a rather curious look on its face, stared at him for
several tense moments.
Peter stood frozen, thinking of nothing else but being trampled.
Eventually the elephant trumpeted loudly, turned, and walked away.
Peter never forgot that elephant or the events of that day.

Twenty years later, Peter was walking through the Chicago Zoo with his
teenaged son. As they approached the elephant enclosure, one of the
creatures turned and walked over to near where Peter and his son
Cameron were standing.

The large bull elephant stared at Peter, lifted its front foot off the
ground, then put it down.
The elephant did that several times then trumpeted loudly, all the
while staring at the man.

Remembering the encounter in 1986, Peter couldn't help wondering if
this was the same elephant. Peter summoned up his courage, climbed
over the
railing and made his way into the enclosure.

He walked right up to the elephant and stared back in wonder.

The elephant trumpeted again, wrapped its trunk around one of Peter
legs and slammed his stupid body against the railing, killing him instantly.

Probably wasn't the same elephant.
 
a large mature bull elephant in Zim(Matetsi) has a 24"-24.5" track in length. In other areas up north in Zim they are much smaller, i cant recall the size of their tracks.

there is one area in Africa where there are a hand full of elephants with very long legs, funny looking things, they in only one area and never hunted.
 
Good post. No surprise that it will be mostly ignored. For most people the question of whether killing an animal is right or wrong is based solely on population numbers. It's pretty sad.

i post up all sorts of information about elephants and it gets ignored. Good for AZB, you know
Mike, Wilson and lots of other people who stick to the topic here dont deserve this kind of shit from simple minded people who cant stay on topic.


very sad,

At the risk of drawing a connection where there isn't one I'm assuming your post was in reference to mine. I realize you have gone a bit on the defensive in this thread, but the personal jab was uncalled for and unnecessary. Forgive me if the information provided in this thread doesn't make me as unsympathetic to the killing of wild animals as it does you, and if you find my opinion of it to be off topic.
 
i post up all sorts of information about elephants and it gets ignored. Good for AZB, you know
Mike, Wilson and lots of other people who stick to the topic here dont deserve this kind of shit from simple minded people who cant stay on topic.


very sad,

Actually, your reply about the working elephants not being African was to the point. I lumped all of them together in my post.
 
Meanwhile in Burma......

http://blogs.reuters.com/photographers-blog/2013/02/15/a-village-hunted-by-wild-elephants/

In Myanmar, elephant poaches YOU!

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Seriously though, that's not good.
 
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"He said that while Chinese demand was driving the trade due to its increased economic power and its history of ivory consumption, no other country was doing more in terms of making seizures.

"Unfortunately, it's just not yet registering a deterrent effect," he said."

And this is the crux of it. Ivory is one of those mythical substances said to confer luck and fortune on the owners and this superstition along with new wealth has led to ridiculous demand. Only when people stop thinking it's cool to own ivory pieces will the demand stop.

Or when the last elephant is gone.
 
I know it is just a conspiracy and that African elephants are really doing great (because I was informed that it is true from a Great White Hunter), but this section of the above article caught my eye.

"....According to CITES figures, the number of slain elephants in Africa was estimated at 17,000 in 2011, 7.5% of the continent's elephant population. ..."
( http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/15/world/asia/hong-kong-ivory/index.html?hpt=wo_bn4 )

Sure sounds like a stable and sustainable population.

As a disclaimer; I have never been to Africa, never shot an elephant (do own cues with ivory), and generally kill nothing more than the occasional beer.

And for full disclosure I have never eaten elephant but I sure do like a pork shoulder smoked for about 12-16 hours, with BBQ sauce and a little coleslaw on a bun.

How big do you think an elephant shoulder would be?
 
Yes, I'm familiar with Frank Mundus. Honestly, I'm quite ill-informed about the elephant situation in Africa and probably shouldn't discuss it. I was just pointing out, as an outsider looking in, that it seems a shame that discussions about the morality of killing animals in the wild always seem to be based on population numbers. Especially in the case of elephants, whose strong family bonds and mourning of others has been well documented. I realize that over population of any species can cause very real problems though, so whaddya gonna do? Life isn't fair and I suppose there are no easy answers.
Well said, Slava Ukraine!you
 
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