OB-1 Shaft Owners

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I compared my OB 1 shaft to another cue which had a larger tip diameter and a different taper and of course a different tip and discovered that while shooting the same shot over and over with the same amount of side English that the cue ball traveled to a similar location with both shafts. The OB1 however deflected the cue ball only about 1/4" versus the flat laminated shaft/cue deflected the cue ball about 2".

I don't know what to make of this and paid close attention to aiming at the same exact spot, applying the same amount of side spin. After thinking about it, the flat laminated, slightly larger diameter shaft may have given more spin to the cue ball than the OB 1. I find that hard to believe but will experiment further.

Any other re-thoughts about the OB 1 applying more spin to the cue ball?

I think it may apply more curve to the cue ball but I am not sure about more spin.
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
Any other re-thoughts about the OB 1 applying more spin to the cue ball?
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All I can say is that %30-%40 more "spin" is absolutely untrue. It is not even possible without changing your stroke as well. Maybe this fools some people, but I am telling you, there is no way in hell you will see results like that.

It's a shaft, it will feel different. Your game will be the same. Hit with one, you might like it...I personally, do not.
 
seymore15074 said:
All I can say is that %30-%40 more "spin" is absolutely untrue. It is not even possible without changing your stroke as well. Maybe this fools some people, but I am telling you, there is no way in hell you will see results like that.

It's a shaft, it will feel different. Your game will be the same. Hit with one, you might like it...I personally, do not.
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Who said they were getting 30-40% more spin?
FTR, I like the shaft and the Gulyassy cue.
I'll find out this weekend under pressure in an environment I am not used to, just how well I can play with it.
JoeyA
 
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JoeyA said:
Who said they were getting 30-40% more spin?
FTR, I like the shaft and the Gulyassy cue.
I'll find out this weekend under pressure in an environment I am not used to, just how well I can play with it.
JoeyA
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Good luck this weekend.
I got my Dominiak back on Monday and while I shot well with it Monday
and Tuesday, I shot horribly yesterday. I'm changing a few things in my
game right now and I'll be playing with the ob1 for a while. I figure I can
get used to the 20"+ pro taper after some time with it. Post some pics of
your new cue for me Joey.

-cOOp
 
I know that I digress, but does the creator of the OB-1 happen to be a Star Wars-fan?

This comes to my mind whenever I read the name :-)

Regards,

Detlev
 
seymore15074 said:
All I can say is that %30-%40 more "spin" is absolutely untrue. It is not even possible without changing your stroke as well. Maybe this fools some people, but I am telling you, there is no way in hell you will see results like that.

It's a shaft, it will feel different. Your game will be the same. Hit with one, you might like it...I personally, do not.
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I don't agree, I played with mine last night for the first time and could not believe how much stank I can put on a ball! LOL I didn't feel that I was hitting it any harder than I would with my 314. I kept missing 6 foot cut shots whenever I used English until I cut back a tip of english. It has to spin more if it throws the ball that much.
 
Detlev Rackow said:
I know that I digress, but does the creator of the OB-1 happen to be a Star Wars-fan?

This comes to my mind whenever I read the name :-)

Regards,

Detlev[/QUOTEI am sure they were.... All the guys at the pool hall were poking fun at me when I told them what it was LOL. They kept making Chewbacca noises every time I got down on my shot:rolleyes:
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I think I heard that Willie Mosconi used an OB-1. That is how he was able to run 526 balls.....

Check out these shafts!
 
txplshrk said:
On a side note, why would you want to break with this thing? On a break cue I would think you would want a hard stiff cue. Cause most people wouldn't care if the shaft is a low or high deflection when breaking. I don't know, maybe I just don't get it. I have never been a fan of breaking with my playing cue anyway though.
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IMO it is a great breaking shaft because of the low deflection, similar to the predator break shafts. The whole point of a low deflection shaft is to make the cueball go in a desired direction without compensation, even with an off center hit. Otherwise the cueball is driven offline and does not hit the one perfectly square to transfer all the energy into the rack. I believe the largest percentage of off center hits is on the break, because when one is using a longer bridge and hitting very hard, they are losing accuracy on the CB. With the OB1 I can hit the one center, dead center, easily and repeatedly.

The taper is just fine to break with as well. I feel I can break just as hard or harder with this thing as I can with my super stiff tapered phenolic tipped break cue. I like the OB1 better because with the leather tip, I am not worried about launching the cueball into someones head when I break hard.
 
You guys are breaking with them?! Omg, you know the ferrule is going to break, right? I saw a broken one about 2 months ago...from breaking with it.
 
seymore15074 said:
All I can say is that %30-%40 more "spin" is absolutely untrue. It is not even possible without changing your stroke as well. Maybe this fools some people, but I am telling you, there is no way in hell you will see results like that.

It's a shaft, it will feel different. Your game will be the same. Hit with one, you might like it...I personally, do not.[/QUOTE


I agree. I have one and love it, but it is not magic.
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I joined the OB-1 club yesterday and played with it for the first time today. It does hit differently. I let a friend hit some balls with it who isn't familiar with its construction and his comment was "it seems like the cue ball just shoots off the tip". That was my impression as well, I get a lot of action on the cue ball. My cut shots were really going in as well and I have had problems with them.

I bought this shaft from another forum member who originally purchased it as a break shaft. The tip on it is really hard, but other than a few miscues I seemed to adjust to it quickly. He didn't know what tip Royce put on the shaft, but it is a very shiny dark black on the sides, anyone have a guess?

So far I am very happy with it!
 
coopdeville said:
Good luck this weekend.
I got my Dominiak back on Monday and while I shot well with it Monday
and Tuesday, I shot horribly yesterday. I'm changing a few things in my
game right now and I'll be playing with the ob1 for a while. I figure I can
get used to the 20"+ pro taper after some time with it. Post some pics of
your new cue for me Joey.

-cOOp
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My "new" Gulyassy cue with the OB 1 shaft or the new Bender?


The Gulyassy is hard on the eyes :D but it plays well. I still have this weekend to test it further but today at Buffalo Billiards we had the weekly FREE ONE POCKET TOURNAMENT (handicapped) and Buff had me giving up Atlas type weight but somehow I managed to get lucky. We'll see how it holds up tomorrow (and me). :)
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
My "new" Gulyassy cue with the OB 1 shaft or the new Bender?


The Gulyassy is hard on the eyes :D but it plays well. I still have this weekend to test it further but today at Buffalo Billiards we had the weekly FREE ONE POCKET TOURNAMENT (handicapped) and Buff had me giving up Atlas type weight but somehow I managed to get lucky. We'll see how it holds up tomorrow (and me). :)
Thanks,
JoeyA
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I'm not sure what to say about this weekends "test". I played in a rather large tournament (115 players) and I played on 8 ball on bar boxes, races to 3. There were a lot of good 8 ball shooters in the tournament (amateurs only) and I was dogging my shot quite frequently. At times I played rather well but it seemed that my stroke was off and not the cue. I dogged key shots, whether it was from the lively action of the cue ball, my stroke or some other factor it is obvious that I need to play with it some more before making a final decision on keeping it or losing it.

There are certain shots that I can make consistently with it, that I cannot make with my other shafts/cue and I like that. I don't know if I will ever be able to control whitey on the easier shots (10-25 degrees).

Overall, I am disappointed with my performance. I finished probably around 30th place. :mad: Some side action after the tournament, allowed me to recoup some of my financial expenditures even though it was because my opponent dogged the final three balls left in the rack of 9 ball of the hill-hill game for the set.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA said:
There are certain shots that I can make consistently with it, that I cannot make with my other shafts/cue and I like that. I don't know if I will ever be able to control whitey on the easier shots (10-25 degrees).
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That's quite interesting. What shots are you able to make with it but not able to make with your other shafts/cues?

Why do you think you might not be able to control the cue ball on the 10-25 degree shots?

Thanks,

Flex
 
Flex said:
That's quite interesting. What shots are you able to make with it but not able to make with your other shafts/cues?

Why do you think you might not be able to control the cue ball on the 10-25 degree shots?

Thanks,

Flex
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Apparently, I use a lot of Side English and on the 10-25 degree shots I take them for granted and occasionally hit the titty when I put side spin with this cue. I believe this particular cue throws the object balls more than other cues. It could be the tip, the taper, the cue or the shooter. :D Lots more experimenting and playing needs to be done.

The shots that I can now make more consistently are frozen object ball shots where you have 80-100 degree cuts with the cue ball approximately 4-7 feet from the object ball. Also I have better consistency cutting balls of similar angles that are slightly off of the rail (1/8"- 3/4"). It seems that I can gauge the cue ball curve better because of the lower squirt factor. I think it will be fun to play one pocket with. :)

BTW, I liked your YOUTUBE video about your lesson with Earl Strickland. It shows that he can teach as well as play.

Thanks,
JoeyA
 
Just got my OB-1 in the mail yesterday from 'Nielsen's Billiards' on ebay.
(5/16 x14) 30" Total cost was $176. That was with Priority mail,tracking & insur. Shaft was @ my door in 2 days:)

I must say that this shaft looks and feels great. I hope it plays like it looks and feels as well...
 
Flex said:
That's quite interesting. What shots are you able to make with it but not able to make with your other shafts/cues?

Why do you think you might not be able to control the cue ball on the 10-25 degree shots?

Thanks,

Flex
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After some testing and comparisons we noticed that the OB1 shaft was generally throwing the object ball 1/2 ball offline. If I can adjust for this I should improve my consistency. We also noticed that it appears that the throwing of the object ball appears to be enhanced when the cue ball is struck harder. This is when I cut balls to the left using low right hand English. Or when I cut balls to the right using low left English. It may be that I am still compensating for cue ball squirt and there is none at that close of range.(3-6 feet).

If that is the case, I need to do some re-programming in the old noggin if that is possible.
JoeyA
 
When your on a cut shot you want to think less of a spin and go over one tip from the center (depending how much is the cut and for shape lol)... I sometimes notice that when I cut and I use alot of outside english, I end up over cutting so I had to think less. Also depends if your a lefty or righty. If your a righty and you hit the right side of the object ball I believe you can make with little outside english but your a righty you hit the left side of the object ball... people think more but actually you think less of the ball because the OB1 generates alot of spin if you put outside english. Its my opinion.

Also try doing the method having the cue ball and object ball straight line to the pocket diagonally and from where you aim centerly move your entire stick one tip away from the center of the cue ball. It shows how true that even you hit the cue ball off center the object ball will always go in that pocket. Any position you want that even if its easy or hard, you are able to get out with the OB1 than a regular shaft. Try 8ball and cue ball on the rail on one side and the 9ball on the other end rail... get position. Have a good stroke and put alot of bottom left or right and watch it get position on the 9 by the cue ball drawing back and hitting one rail the spin kicks in off the rail and rolls over for the 9.

I own 2 and I love the cue-ball reaction. It works on 3carom nicely when I have to put extreme english to hit the next ball. I had some problems before where my ferrule broke twice but something inside made that happen and it has been fixed by Royce. Great guy! Now im kinda stuck and I need a butt-end so im stuck using a stock shaft cause its a different connection.
 
Mr. Joey----------
My main cue now is a Klein ivory joint radial, however I have several 5/16-14 & a couple 3/8-10. I have gone almost exclusively to the OB-1 due to the consisty of the shaft. So far the best tip I have observed on them is the Morri Med. I usually use the 12.75 but with a decent cue ball at a pool hall or a barbox I go with a 12.4 that I had Royce turn down. Also they have come out with a sealer that will be available to public in a couple of months that solves the splintering problem (works great and burnishes up nice). My 314-2 and Z2 very seldom get to the table anymore and never in a tourney or a critical match. All in all I have never found a more consistant shaft than the OB-1, just seems to be a better mouse trap.

cheers-------------BW
 
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