OB Wood Shaft/ Predator Wood Shaft

[rickdf]

I shoot with an OB SP with a CS shaft, which I really like. It happens to be a little light for my liking. A 19-19.5oz cue feels a little more stable in my hand/stroke. I think the only weight bolt I can fit in the butt is a 1/4oz which would bring me to 18.4oz. It has a 5/8oz weight currently and weighs 18oz total. Wondering how the different Predator wood shafts (new or old) would compare to my OB CS in both hit and quality. I am open to trying different hits, maybe a little stiffer would be ok too.

 

[TeddyKGB]

2 questions....what is CS? and why will it only fit 1oz of weight? I have a OB sneaky and you can fit like 3 oz in that thing

 

[rickdf]

2 questions....what is CS? and why will it only fit 1oz of weight? I have a OB sneaky and you can fit like 3 oz in that thing

Sorry, what I meant was there are already weight bolts in it and I can only fit another 1/4oz weight in it and still be able to put the bumper in.

 

[TeddyKGB]

Got it, and Ive never seen the CS shaft before

 

[MitchAlsup]

Take the cue to a cue repair person.
Have them drill/bore out the weight block threads so you can insert longer weight bolts.
Get a longer and/or heavier weight bolt.
Live long and prosper.

Note:: If you had a weight bolt made from tungsten you would not have to lengthen the bore.

 

[TeddyKGB]

Have you tried an OB pro shaft? theyre 11.8 but pretty stiff

 

[rickdf]

Have you tried an OB pro shaft? theyre 11.8 but pretty stiff

I have not yet. The cue also came with a Phoenix shaft fwiw, but it's like .4 oz lighter than the Cs (which I'm guessing is some variation of a Classic).

 

[TeddyKGB]

I would say no matter what shaft you play with, if its LD its always gonna have a little flex to it, thats the whole point of LD.. unless you move towards carbon then you get the stiffness back.

I have an OB fusion shaft that is wood with carbon on the inside and it plays stiff like carbon and is really low deflection with the look of wood.

I have an OB pro for sale if youre interested.

 

[garczar]

2 questions....what is CS? and why will it only fit 1oz of weight? I have a OB sneaky and you can fit like 3 oz in that thing

The S-line(not to confused with Seybert S-tuned) were solid non-laminate shafts. The "Cs" was the Classic s-line shaft. Much like a Mezz or Meucci Pro shaft construction wise.

 

[chuckpilegis]

The S-line(not to confused with Seybert S-tuned) were solid non-laminate shafts. The "Cs" was the Classic s-line shaft. Much like a Mezz or Meucci Pro shaft construction wise.

So I learned something in my old age.I was thinking it had something to do with carom. What type of timeline did they make them? After ob-classic+ and before ob-rez. To the op how much does your shaft weigh now and how heavy do you need it. I dont see how adding weight to your butt will make your shaft feel heavier

 

[garczar]

So I learned something in my old age.I was thinking it had something to do with carom. What type of timeline did they make them? After ob-classic+ and before ob-rez. To the op how much does your shaft weigh now and how heavy do you need it. I dont see how adding weight to your butt will make your shaft feel heavier

Don't know exact yrs but towards the end, after Royce died, they quit using laminated stuff.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I would say no matter what shaft you play with, if its LD its always gonna have a little flex to it, thats the whole point of LD.

That's a common belief, but stiffness really doesn't have much to do with CB deflection - the real culprit there is "end mass" (the weight of the first 8" or so of the shaft).

pj
chgo

 

[TeddyKGB]

That's a common belief, but stiffness really doesn't have much to do with CB deflection - the real culprit there is "end mass" (the weight of the first 8" or so of the shaft).

pj
chgo

I dont disagree with you but they go hand in hand. If you lighten the end of the shaft by coring it or making it a thinner diameter youre gonna lose stiffness.

 

[garczar]

I dont disagree with you but they go hand in hand. If you lighten the end of the shaft by coring it or making it a thinner diameter youre gonna lose stiffness.

Not with cf shafts. They are both stiff and able to have light front-ends for less defl. With wood you are correct, most wood lo-def. shafts tend to be a tad softer hitting. One exception is the Predator Vantage, very lo-def but still pretty stiff. Great shaft btw.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

I dont disagree with you but they go hand in hand. If you lighten the end of the shaft by coring it or making it a thinner diameter youre gonna lose stiffness.

Likely so (at least a little), but it's still the end mass that causes CB deflection. Scientists (I'm not one) say it has to do with the different kinds of "shock waves" moving along the shaft caused by each (lateral vs. longitudinal?).

Causes for Squirt and Cue Ball Deflection - Dr. Dave Pool Info

Answers to frequently-asked questions about what causes squirt and cue ball deflection.

drdavepoolinfo.com

pj
chgo

 

[garczar]

Likely so (at least a little), but it's still the end mass that causes CB deflection. Scientists (I'm not one) say it has to do with the different kinds of "shock waves" moving along the shaft caused by each (lateral vs. longitudinal?).

Causes for Squirt and Cue Ball Deflection - Dr. Dave Pool Info

Answers to frequently-asked questions about what causes squirt and cue ball deflection.

drdavepoolinfo.com

pj
chgo

Any lo-def shaft is both 'low deflection'(CB squirt) and 'high deflection'(shaft movement). On lo-def(lo cb squirt) the shaft is what deflects out of the way allowing cb to go forward much straighter. CF's unique props. allow it to be both low-mass/low squirt and stiff. You could make a stiff 13.5mm cf shaft that was low-squirt too, something very hard if not impossible with wood.

 

[rickdf]

So I learned something in my old age.I was thinking it had something to do with carom. What type of timeline did they make them? After ob-classic+ and before ob-rez. To the op how much does your shaft weigh now and how heavy do you need it. I dont see how adding weight to your butt will make your shaft feel heavier

My Cs shaft weighs 3.4oz. I'm not really trying to make my shaft alone feel heavier. I just want an overall heavier cue and my current cue seems to be almost maxed out on weight as it sits now at 18oz. So I was kind of contemplating trying a cue with a Predator shaft and wanted a little more info on them from people who have knowledge of both. I don't really know anyone who plays with a wood Predator shaft to try.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Any lo-def shaft is both 'low deflection'(CB squirt) and 'high deflection'(shaft movement).

My (maple) cue is the stiffest I know of due to its straight conical taper - it’s also the lowest deflection I know of (20” pivot length) due to its small (10mm) hollow point tip.

I don’t think the hollow point increases the flexing much, if at all (it’s a pretty short hole).

pj
chgo

 

[TeddyKGB]

My Cs shaft weighs 3.4oz. I'm not really trying to make my shaft alone feel heavier. I just want an overall heavier cue and my current cue seems to be almost maxed out on weight as it sits now at 18oz. So I was kind of contemplating trying a cue with a Predator shaft and wanted a little more info on them from people who have knowledge of both. I don't really know anyone who plays with a wood Predator shaft to try.

So the heaviest LD shaft Ive had was 3.8oz which is only 0.4 oza heavier than what you have so likely a different shaft isnt going to get you there. I have an OB sneaky also and its super light weight, 13.3oz. I think its just the way they were made. The butts arent cored