ok I need help on 3 things(and a whole bunch later)

DirtyIrish

DirtyIrish

Not even close to the OGs
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let me say I WILL pay this forward with anyone I can help (I am basic-intermediate player)
I can draw close but not on long shots I have seen other folks draw from the kitchen-cue ball and all the way to the spot-object ball ?
if I can be directed to a place or dvd to buy that is worth it PLEASE let me know
next
I know how to jump but not how to jump acurately
same as above if I need to buy something I will!
finally
Masse,now since I have been playing pool I have made one GOOD masse shot but it was more luck than knowledge
same goes again if I am told to buy things I will
if I can be helped Thank You
John
 
Hi John

I have not found any place out there to buy a good stroke.
Pool School in Dallas might be your closest bet.
randyg
 
Randy,

if you ve found this place...send me the link :p i ll pay good for it, LOL.

lg
Ingo
 
If you watch those people getting draw from the kitchen shooting at a ball several diamonds away, you will notice one thing. They have a very smooth, fluid, and what might appear to be an effortless stroke.

Take advantage of your close proximity, and go see RandyG!

Steve
 
DirtyIrish (John) I see that you live in Texas. I would suggest you take the time to Visit Randy at his pool School!
Best Regards
Denny Stewart
 
I'm not an instructor, but I'll tell you what I do.

For draw shots, First make sure your tip is shaped well and scuffed and chalked good. A dime shape is easy to get more spin with. Don't be afraid to get real low on the cueball. See how low you can go before you start to miscue. Make sure you are hitting the cueball in the exact spot you are aiming. Most importantly DO NOT CLINCH YOUR GRIP HAND AT IMPACT. Keep your grip light and loose all the way through impact and accelerate through the cueball. Start the stroke slowly and accelerate to the end. Wrist snap can give you extra zip but makes it more difficult to strike the cueball accurately.

For jump shots do the same thing you should be doing with normal shots. Line up the shot with your eyes while standing. Walk into the shot. Keep your eyes focused on the object ball and bring your cue into position. Do not take your eyes off the object ball until your bridge hand is planted. Once you are in your shooting position you can then look at the cueball to make sure your tip is just below center ball. Take a few practice strokes and make sure your tip continues to come to the same exact spot. Now look back at the object ball and shoot.

Practice overhand and underhand jump shots 30 minutes a day until you can make full table shots consistently. I prefer overhand for shorter shots and underhand for longer shots. For overhand I hold the jump cue with a dart grip and flick my wrist. Try to maintain a light grip pressure for overhand shots as it will make the ball jump easier with less weight.

Jump cues are like golf clubs. You may need different jump cues for different shots. One for very close jumps, one for medium jumps and one for long jumps.

Masse shots are mostly feel. The more you need to curve the more you need to elevate. Use the least amount of elevation possible to make the cueball curve enough. Aim down the line you want the cueball to start on and put enough english on the cueball to make it curve as much as you need. I usually only use masses where I need to curve the cueball a little bit and the object ball is close to the pocket.
 
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Stroke

If you are worried about these 3 things then I'd tell you to forget about the 2nd and 3rd for now. Jump and Masse are usefull but rarely.

It sounds like you need to work on your stroke. I'd suggest you go to an instructor for a video analysis to see how your fundamentals are. If your fundamentals are strong then your main focus will be developing a smooth, fluid and consistant stroke.

Once you get a smooth stroke and solid fundamentals then you should practice Jumping/Masse shots but not too much. I'd recommend kick shots or bank shots over a jump/masse and only resorting to jump/masse as a last option.

Seek professional instruction and you'll work it out out.
 
I'm a little late to this thread, but was reviewing some info in here and thought I would reply anyway.

Definitely seek out a qualified instructor if you can, especially if a good one is close (sounds like they are), that money will be better spent then trying to view DVD's or reading books.


That being said, I've helped many people with their draw strokes. Typically the issue is not hitting low enough on the cue ball, even though they think they are. The tell tale chalk mark will confirm that if you are using a striped ball or measles cue ball. Also just the general acceleration of the stroke, many people decelerate by lifting their hand at or near the point of contact or clenching the cue which can slow it down.

As for jumps, again instruction would be good, but it doesn't come up that much so I would worry about #1 first. Lot of videos and articles on the internet regarding technique though, main thing is proper technique. It's easy with any decent jump cue these days.

As for masse's, again I wouldn't even worry about this for now. However, technique again is key. If you are interested in the science of how to figure out elevation and tip position, Robert Byrne has some very good diagrams in his book (I think the first one, Standard Book of Pool and Billiards), and there are probably similar articles on the net somewhere that show that as well.

Good luck!
Scott
 
Long Draw shots require a good tip, and a very good straight stroke. Also hit very low, the cue tip will be rubbing the felt when you do this. Don't be afraid to bounce the cue ball off of the table, because it will happen. Chalk up after every attempt. I used to be fascinated by the draw shot, and practiced it all the time just to see how far I could draw the ball. I could place the cue ball on the head string and the object ball 1 diamond away from the corner pocket and draw 1.5 to 2 table lengths. It looks really cool. But its not needed or practical in a match. It wont hurt you to learn how to do this but I would focus on accurately drawing the cue ball.

MN Shooter covered Jumps good.

As far as masse shots you need to look at some trick shot videos.

Are you into trick shots or do you plan to use these shots in regular match play?
 
Johnny 8Ball...How often do you see professional players masse'? Answer: Rarely, if ever. That should tell how little need there is, and that focusing on other parts of your game is far more important...like developing an accurate and repeatable stroke.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Johnny 8Ball said:
As far as masse shots you need to look at some trick shot videos.

Are you into trick shots or do you plan to use these shots in regular match play?
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Scott, I have never seen a pro player use masse in a match. That is why I asked him what he plans on using the masse for. Many players are confused about this and waste hours practicing masse. We don't know until we ask.
 
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