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jjinfla said:
Hey People,


Mike Janis must have done things right since he is able to retire off the profits he made on his tours. Too bad the players can't say the same thing.

Jake
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Personally, I wish the 1st part of your statement was true. If I had to retire from the profits of the tour I'd be living in a box under a bridge.

For the second part of your statement. The players do, have and will benefit from the work that Tour Operators such as myself and all the other regional tours have done. In part, due to our efforts over the past 2 decades we have helped to clear the way, open doors, grow and develop players so a tour like the IPT can exist.

Your welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!


Respectfully,

Mj
 
Careful What You Wish For...

8-ball bernie said:
i'm glad mr. truedue is trying to control the pool world, and it wouldn't be such a bad thing if all the other tours go away. they had their chance, and they FAILED read my type they FAILED!!!!! it's just like right now the news is saying "oh my, it looks like ford and GM may go out of business because of japan" you know, i hope they go out of business, you know why?? because american automobiles suck!!! and japan makes the world's greatest automobiles, america had their chance at making good quality automobiles, and they FAILED!!! if i'm on the bottom 50 of the ipt and lose my tour card, GOOD! i tried, i had my chance, and i FAILED, i should be thrown off!!
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Be careful what you wish for Bernie. If GM and Ford go out of business, that would put a lot of people out of work. And there just might be some good pool players building American cars. Which is probably why they SUCK, as you put it. These out of work pool players just may knock you and others like you off the IPT list.

Besides, without American competition, you could have to pay $40,000 for your next Corolla. And with less competition, Japan wouldn't have to worry so much about quality. So your $40,000 Corolla may only last half as long as the $20,000 Corolla you have today.

The same thing goes for the IPT. The less competition it has, the less it has to worry about taking care of the players. If you have ever had to deal with your cable TV company, you understand the advantages of a competitive industry.
 
TheOne said:

I would swap 1 US Open or WPC title for ten years of mediocracy and earning a decent living on the IPT, but that's just me. I beleive in 50 years time (if the IPT doesn't kill them both) we'll remember past US Open and WPC champions more than any IPT tournament winner.
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If you were capable of winning 1 US Open or WPC you wouldn't have 10 years of mediocracy in the IPT you would get rich and be able to play in any tournament anywhere in the world.

Maybe in 50 years time this would be true about who is remembered but in 2 years time if you ask most poolplayers who won the US Open or WPC this year you might get an answer from a diehard but a much larger percentage will know who won the battle of the sexes and who the 1st major IPT tournament and the first 1/2 million dollar winner is going to be a legend and the first million dollar winner ...well you get the idea...

It is not all about money but if I had a choice between winning a US Open and an IPT event that paid me 1/2 a million I might be swayed by the money.

Wayne
 
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KT deserves nothing but praise...

i swear, reading the posts on az it seems like there are many people that would rather have no ipt at all, and wish that KT wouldn't have put up all this money. all i hear are complaints about KT and hardly any praise. i actually don't blame him for some of the statements he has made, i mean if i was trying to bring a sport out of the gutter and put up my own money to do it, i would expect people to be appreciative, and not complain about every little thing.

i believe people need to realize that if somebody is putting up their own money, they are going to do things their own way. of course, things may not go exactly the way you would like, but the alternative is no ipt at all, and thus pool would go back to the same dismal state it has always been in. the argument about the ipt failing and not even having the nice tournaments (eg us open) we are now accustomed to is flawed as well becasue the ipt deserves a chance to work.... even if it is at the cost of all these tournaments, it is well worth it if you think about it (risk vs reward is way, way worth it). what exactly do people think we are going to lose that we can't get back if the ipt doesn't work? the current state of crappy, low paying events wouldn't be able to be resurrected and/or replaced?? please.
 
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Timberly said:
Nice, well thought out post. Good to see someone can see that John is simply frustrated and not the anti-christ. I think it's safe to say that we've all said something in the heat of the moment that once we calmed down, we thought better of & wished we hadn't said it. The fact that John has come back (after calming down) and posted an apology and his reasoning for getting upset to begin with, says a lot about the kind of person he really is. I know a TON of people that never would apologize, even after being proven wrong.

Fans and players alike are very passionate about the game and the status of the game at the pro level. Good or bad, right or wrong, its good to see the passion in everyone. As long as there's passion, there's concern, which is always a good thing.
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lol, do you secretly have a crush on John Schmidt or what? You have repeatedly slurped him even though he is often in the wrong.
 
wayne said:
If you were capable of winning 1 US Open or WPC you wouldn't have 10 years of mediocracy in the IPT you would get rich and be able to play in any tournament anywhere in the world.

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Probably but we'll see how well foe example Tommy Kennedy does in the IPT, you get one off's its happened in snooker many times so it sure can happen in pool!

The other two points you made didn't relate to the two points I made, but atleast you where honest :)
 
John has alot of heart

How many of you have the heart to post under your real name? I see John has the heart to and so do I . If you want to remain unknown then maybe your opinion should carry that same weight. Some people are so excited to see real money in pool. Think of it No dumping That alone is worth the price of admission and no splitting. It is like I woke up one day and now pool is a legit game. Maybe we will start wearing suits and ties like in the old days if we are ever lucky enough to compete with true pros like John. Good to see you on top John. Hope you stay there along time. You are one of the nicest players out there I know because I have seen you go out of your way to tell somebody you didn't even know in a poolroom How to correct a flaw you noticed. Real Classy Guy.I wish you the best and wish there were more players that promoted the game the way you do.
Nick
 
[nick serdula]How many of you have the heart to post under your real name? I see John has the heart to and so do I . If you want to remain unknown then maybe your opinion should carry that same weight.


Well, that's certainly an opinion and you're entitled to it. OTOH, anonymous posters are REAL people too.I post as Smorgass Bored,but I've sweated John Schmidt's action at Capones in Spring Hill,Fl., Strokers in Palm Harbor, Planet 9-Ball in Tampa, Corner Pocket in New Orleans, in Mississippi,Breakers in Mobile,Ala.,etc. I watched him play the Russian for two days straight and drew him in a tournament race to nine (he beat me 9-1). Some of us have our reasons for posting with Screen names.
(I Am Not An Animal,I'm A Human Being..... The Elephant Man)
Doug
 
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8-ball bernie said:
i'm glad mr. truedue is trying to control the pool world, and it wouldn't be such a bad thing if all the other tours go away. they had their chance, and they FAILED read my type they FAILED!!!!! it's just like right now the news is saying "oh my, it looks like ford and GM may go out of business because of japan" you know, i hope they go out of business, you know why?? because american automobiles suck!!! and japan makes the world's greatest automobiles, america had their chance at making good quality automobiles, and they FAILED!!! if i'm on the bottom 50 of the ipt and lose my tour card, GOOD! i tried, i had my chance, and i FAILED, i should be thrown off!!
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Well Bernie, When you fail on the IPT you'll wish those other tours had not failed because that's where you'll be playing in 2007. :mad: :mad:
 
Eydie Romano said:
He as me, have a genuine love for the game, I believe this and THAT is why he is doing it.
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Eydie,

I hope you don't actually believe that. ABC News calls Kevin Trudeau "King Con". Read this from a 20/20 report just a couple of weeks ago. Just google Kevin Trudeau and FCC. We're not dealing with a reputable person.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1527774

I am happy to see the potential for so much money come to pool players. But let's make no mistake, Kevin Trudeau is NOT doing this for the love of the game, he's doing it because he can't do infomercials anymore (FCC banned him from promoting Natural Cures via infomercial and many magazines, TV networks, and stores will not carry Natural Cures or allow it to be advertised in their publications) and since this book has been his biggest money maker to date, he needs a new way to promote it. He says so himself on the IPT website Q&A page.

QUESTION:
Are other sponsors coming to you to sponsor the tour?

Answer:
Yes. Major corporations from around the world are showing tremendous interest in the IPT. We have firm offers on the table for large corporate sponsorships; however, there is no reason for me to accept any of this corporate money. First off, I would never accept money from fast food companies or drug companies to sponsor the IPT tour. The whole concept of me sponsoring these sports events is to bring natural cures to more people. I do not want to have fast food companies or drug companies sponsor the event. Many other major corporations are coming to me as well; however, there is no reason for me to accept their money when it is much more profitable for me to sponsor the tour myself with the companies that I own. If those companies can see that these are good investments, then obviously it’s a good investment for my businesses as well. The bottom line here is the money for the production and the prize funds are absolutely there. The television interest is there, and this tour is already profitable!

As stated, I'm glad to see all this money come to pool, but I am deeply concerned about who's bringing it and why. Please realize, he has no contractural obligation to the players or fans. He could pull the plug on the IPT tomorrow or any other day he decides he's done with pool. If this doesn't make him money he will move on to something else.

I am hopeful that the IPT will be great for many, many years to come, but realistic enough to see that this is likely a temporary repreive from the poverty of pool.

Vicki
 
8-ball bernie said:
i'm glad mr. truedue is trying to control the pool world, and it wouldn't be such a bad thing if all the other tours go away. they had their chance, and they FAILED read my type they FAILED!!!!!
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Why would you say something like that Bernie, just because a tour doesn't offer up millions of dollars it deserves to fail? That's a pretty simplistic way of looking at things IMO, tours like the Joss Tour have been highly reguarded amongst all players for some time now. It would be a terrible thing if the smaller tours and tournaments fell victim to the IPT, they are after all, the stepping stone for young aspiring players that do hope to one day make it to the IPT and the pro ranks.
 
sjm said:
This merits serious consideration as the single worst post in the history of the AZB forum.
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Without a doubt, I don't think Bernie put much thought into what he posted.
 
Hi Vicki!

Well, here's how I see it. KT has more money then a boat load of our players put together. He doesn't need the cash, and up until now, there has been no money in this sport. Sponsors are leery of giving money to this sport, because it still to this day is considered a questionable sport. I feel (JMO) that the majority of people in general (non players) today, think that pool = gambling, pool room brawls and is a seedy pastime. They don't consider it a sport at all.

He has been around the industry for many years before he ventured into the IPT. I have heard stories of him coming into a billiard show or tournament, buying expensive cues and playing some on and off for over a decade now.. This is not just something that he conjured up on a whim. From what I have heard and this is totally hearsay, it was on the encouragement of Mike Sigel, that KT formed the IPT. Again this is hearsay, but from what was told to me, they have been good friends for years. Mike Sigel has always had an interest in pool, and being the superstar he is, I can't see him not wanting anything but good to come from the IPT.

I did see the 20/20 train wreck.... I understand that KT's intentions could be questionable, but until he has shed some inclination that he is going to slaughter the pool industry, the guy should be given a chance. We, as a sport to this day, have never seen the likes of this kind of money added to and venue ever.. So why kill the golden goose? That's just my opinion, for what it's worth.. Vicki, don't get me wrong, I do understand your questions, they are valid in every way! It would just be ashame if this whole thing was for not.

The One, which "ONE" are you? :D

Nick, I look forward to meeting you as well.:)
 
judge KT based on his actions within the pool world

Vicki said:
Eydie,

I hope you don't actually believe that. ABC News calls Kevin Trudeau "King Con". Read this from a 20/20 report just a couple of weeks ago. Just google Kevin Trudeau and FCC. We're not dealing with a reputable person.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Health/story?id=1527774

I am happy to see the potential for so much money come to pool players. But let's make no mistake, Kevin Trudeau is NOT doing this for the love of the game, he's doing it because he can't do infomercials anymore (FCC banned him from promoting Natural Cures via infomercial and many magazines, TV networks, and stores will not carry Natural Cures or allow it to be advertised in their publications) and since this book has been his biggest money maker to date, he needs a new way to promote it. He says so himself on the IPT website Q&A page.

QUESTION:
Are other sponsors coming to you to sponsor the tour?

Answer:
Yes. Major corporations from around the world are showing tremendous interest in the IPT. We have firm offers on the table for large corporate sponsorships; however, there is no reason for me to accept any of this corporate money. First off, I would never accept money from fast food companies or drug companies to sponsor the IPT tour. The whole concept of me sponsoring these sports events is to bring natural cures to more people. I do not want to have fast food companies or drug companies sponsor the event. Many other major corporations are coming to me as well; however, there is no reason for me to accept their money when it is much more profitable for me to sponsor the tour myself with the companies that I own. If those companies can see that these are good investments, then obviously it’s a good investment for my businesses as well. The bottom line here is the money for the production and the prize funds are absolutely there. The television interest is there, and this tour is already profitable!

As stated, I'm glad to see all this money come to pool, but I am deeply concerned about who's bringing it and why. Please realize, he has no contractural obligation to the players or fans. He could pull the plug on the IPT tomorrow or any other day he decides he's done with pool. If this doesn't make him money he will move on to something else.

I am hopeful that the IPT will be great for many, many years to come, but realistic enough to see that this is likely a temporary repreive from the poverty of pool.

Vicki
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I very much disagree with Vicki as well, and I agree with Eydie.

I feel that even if every single thing vicki said about KT is true, so what, who cares. There is still this amazing possibility that pool is going to be elevated to the level that we have all thought it deserves, and out of the dismal state it's in now.

As far as questioning KT's character and intentions, i'd like to address that in a different context if I may. I have met many people in my life, and after meeting them I was told by others to "watch out for him", or to "stay away from him". These people have turned out to be some of the most interesting freinds I have. My point is we should judge KT with respect to what he does within the pool world, and not what he has done in the past. If we all walked around with our past flaws stamped on our forehead (as KT is forced to do) I think we'd all admit it would be hard for people to initially gain trust in us.

As far as the marketing ploy for natural cues comment, well, maybe the ipt will be a huge success at bring natural cures more customers. I'm really not sure why you feel this is a bad thing. It seems like it would be win-win to me.

The ipt coluld fall flat on its face and i think we all agree that would be terrible. in the meantime, let's support it as best we can and hope for the best. really, what have we got to lose?
 
Hi Enzo,

We're not as far apart as you seem to think. I'm all for giving the IPT a chance. To answer your question, we've got very little to lose. I'm just not going to put on blinders and trust for the sake of trusting this guy. I firmly believe we better have a plan B IF the time comes that trudeau decides he's done with us.

If he sticks it out and pool becomes the next poker I'll be more delighted than ANYONE since my family relies of the health of the pool industry. I'm not knocking the money he's bringing to the game, just saying we better know what we're going to do if he pulls the plug. In the meanwhile, I'm cautiously optimistic. I was around for the PBT and about a dozen other failures.

As far as trudeau's reputation, he's got a long long history of being less than trustworthy. I don't think his book is doing anyone any good since there aren't any cures in it, just references to his website where you have to pay to become a member to get the so-called cures. You can screw me over once or even twice and I'll forgive you completely, but once you've screwed enough people enough times I'm gonna keep my eye on you.

As for Eydie's comment that he doesn't need the money, with all respect due to Eydie, and I know how much she and her family have done for pool and the sacrifices they've made, YOU DON'T HAVE TO NEED MONEY TO WANT IT. I guess Trudeau likes pool, but I don't think for a single second that he doesn't care if he makes money!

Here's a short story for ya: I worked with a very wealthy guy named Joe Charters who used to spew on and on about how much he was making here and the potential for income there, and residual income, and income, income, income. I asked Joe how much money he wanted to make and his response was, "HOW MUCH MONEY IS THERE?" That wouldn't work for me, but it's a way of life for many people.

Believe me, Enzo, I respect your opinion and I agree that we need to support the IPT. I hope like hell this takes off and the players make good money and the sport as a whole is better off.
 
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