Old Matches aren't fun to watch???

pwd72s

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Okay, the old audio is scratchy, the focus isn't the best...but the balls being the right traditional colors make up for that.
And...one hell of a match in this old winner break format. Efren vs. Troy Frank...back in '99. Under an hour.

 
it’s nice to see these matches.
*Not jumping every other shot
Not drawing for position on every shot their not jumping.

* I know I’m exaggerating here ; )
 
it’s nice to see these matches.
*Not jumping every other shot
Not drawing for position on every shot their not jumping.

* I know I’m exaggerating here ; )
Yeah, I grew up playing in the 80's when a lot a draw was used. I can't stop playing that way. Even when I make a concerted effort not to draw, I always find myself in position where bottom cue ball is needed. I see very few pros play that way now, I wonder what's up with the change?
 
Follow is easier to control then draw.
OK, agreed. But all the old-time players for the 80s and 90s didn't know that? I was once told that your bridge for a draw shot is more stable than one for follow because it's closer to the table (and thus more accurate). Don't know about that, but it makes sense.

Maybe it has something to do with the new, faster cloth now too. Maybe the cue ball can get away from you so easily now, players got used to playing more cautiously.
 
It seems easier, speaking personally, to decide how much stroke is needed on long OB shots
for position when you shoot with follow versus draw. There less chance of rattling the pocket and
I also think a player needs to explore and learn their accuracy & reliability limitations on various
shots. I learned that playing golf and experiencing the odds factor in club selection. Why push a
hard 3 iron if you can swing easier and smoother with a 5 wood? It otherwise usually turns out to
be the smarter play and outcome. Why attempt to draw a CB on a OB 8’ away when you know
that 5 diamonds is your confidence zone. Sure, you can make that shot but can you do it right now?

Instead, look at that shot where your strengths better align with pocketing the ball and still acquiring
shape. A follow shot, unless the CB was frozen on the rail, is one of my most trusted strokes to use at
any distance in contrast with a draw stroke that I know has limitations. Once the OB is 6-7 diamonds
away, I over stroke the CB and either do not squarely hit the OB thus causing a pocket rattle or I stroke
so hard I miss my contact point on the CB or the OB or both. When I stroke hard, I just lose accuracy &
it wasn’t so, or at least my memory wants me to believe this, when I was in my 30’s & 40’s, I could draw
the CB, regardless of distance, so much better. As your game changes over the years, you have to adjust
to what Father Time allows you to undertake and hopefully, enjoy as much as ever before…..it’s still pool.
 
Yeah, I grew up playing in the 80's when a lot a draw was used. I can't stop playing that way. Even when I make a concerted effort not to draw, I always find myself in position where bottom cue ball is needed. I see very few pros play that way now, I wonder what's up with the change?
Simmonis cloth. With long nap old cloth you couldn't follow five rails like you can now with the faster cloth.
 
Who is Troy Frank?
Not only does he play real good he seemed cool as could be playing Efren.
Long time ago when I had the time to put in the minutes (practicing), I won a few rounds in a couple local opens. That was the first time I heard the expression, "Every dog has its day."

Reminds me; The MC guys don't have that much of a deficit but they're playing scared. The Euros are making <simple> work.
 
That entire event was race to 7, and the format is different than a typical double elimination chart, so there was no question of having to beat someone twice, coming from the one loss side.
dcc's first yr. With all the other events they were trying get it all in. iirc they went to 9 soon after.
Splains that thanks. One thing, Efren's Levis personifies pool so much better than the BS decorum you find at modern events.
 
It seems easier, speaking personally, to decide how much stroke is needed on long OB shots
for position when you shoot with follow versus draw. There less chance of rattling the pocket and
I also think a player needs to explore and learn their accuracy & reliability limitations on various
shots. I learned that playing golf and experiencing the odds factor in club selection. Why push a
hard 3 iron if you can swing easier and smoother with a 5 wood? It otherwise usually turns out to
be the smarter play and outcome. Why attempt to draw a CB on a OB 8’ away when you know
that 5 diamonds is your confidence zone. Sure, you can make that shot but can you do it right now?

Instead, look at that shot where your strengths better align with pocketing the ball and still acquiring
shape. A follow shot, unless the CB was frozen on the rail, is one of my most trusted strokes to use at
any distance in contrast with a draw stroke that I know has limitations. Once the OB is 6-7 diamonds
away, I over stroke the CB and either do not squarely hit the OB thus causing a pocket rattle or I stroke
so hard I miss my contact point on the CB or the OB or both. When I stroke hard, I just lose accuracy &
it wasn’t so, or at least my memory wants me to believe this, when I was in my 30’s & 40’s, I could draw
the CB, regardless of distance, so much better. As your game changes over the years, you have to adjust
to what Father Time allows you to undertake and hopefully, enjoy as much as ever before…..it’s still pool.
I do wish you owned a Ned Morris cue so you could compare to your others. Middle cue ball control is about the best one can do. Allow the angle on the next ball and control the shot where middle cue ball could get shape. I think this is where the pros used to say they hit the cue ball about a nickel from the middle. ONLY because they had the angle.
 
I do wish you owned a Ned Morris cue so you could compare to your others. Middle cue ball control is about the best one can do. Allow the angle on the next ball and control the shot where middle cue ball could get shape. I think this is where the pros used to say they hit the cue ball about a nickel from the middle. ONLY because they had the angle.
The adage “It’s the archer not the arrow” is truly so appropriate to respond with.
Despite your admiratiion for Mr. Morris, I respectfully submit that he lags behind
Tim Scruggs as a cue maker & I’m blessed to own a wonderful cue made by Tim.

It is a fool’s errand to think it’s the equipment when you reach my age and anyone
in that neighborhood will tell you the very same thing. And worse, I play with pain.

Got full thickness tears in both my rotator cuffs and I’ve already had five surgeries.
Left shoulder in 2009 and right one in 2011, 2013, 2015 &. 2016 & more are needed.

A cue by your favorite cue maker or anyone else, and mine happens to be Mr. Hercek,
isn’t going to make up for getting old and two badly damaged shoulders. So as I was
attempting to explain, as one gets older, your pool game inevitably changes and what
you used to do you no longer can, at least not dependably when you need it the most.

Maybe you’re better off starting a thread about NM cues & you can enjoy a spontaneous
discussion about his cue making and your fondness for him. However, since I already
own lots of cues made by very talented cue makers, I know it’s the archer and not the arrow.
 
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