Olhausen Arizona All Around Tour
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There is talk about a new tour that will be popping up here very soon. In many ways, it would be a continuation of the All-Around tour, but there are also a few changes. Hopefully there will be more info following very soon here; perhaps as early as this week. I don't want to get ahead of myself until things are actually established.
Jimmy M. said:
Hope it happens.
rumor has it ??
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My sources tell me that some of these changes include not only mandatory rack your own..Also, a 30 second shot clock in reverse!! If you shoot before the shot clock expires it's a foul ball in hand..Could this be true Jimmy ?? I also heard that the only exception to this rule would be Pancough..Jimmy M. said:
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All you guys who are interested in the All round tour. Here is all we need, I have spoken to Mike and he is willing to help out a bit with certain things but not taking the whole load himself. We need $5,000.00 total in sponsorship, a tournament Director who we can trust to be good, honest and stick through the whole thing. I know the rooms are there and willing to put their end of the $$ in. Thats all we need guys and we can make this work. I would like to see it happen. I am working on a couple of things right now but in about a week I can get on it in a much bigger way. Do we have that kind of time though? NO we have to begin to make the ground work happen. So anyone got $5,000 to put in the pot? Thats the first thing. We may not need it all as I think we can get sponsors along the way that will add$$$ Let me know your thoughts.
Okay, in all seriousness, it is already taking place. Here is a link with some information. I hope Mike doesn't mind me posting this link, but here it is:
http://azpoolscene.com/BreakingNews169.html
We have tentative dates/venues for our events, and that information will be made public as soon as it becomes available. We are in the process of creating the schedule with the room owners. This all came about so quickly, and being that we're already almost into February, we felt it was important to get the first event posted as soon as possible, rather than wait until we had every event scheduled. Most of the room owners who were involved last year are still interested in a tour this year, so getting these commitments is turning out to be more of a matter of scheduling rather than trying to generate interest.
http://azpoolscene.com/BreakingNews169.html
We have tentative dates/venues for our events, and that information will be made public as soon as it becomes available. We are in the process of creating the schedule with the room owners. This all came about so quickly, and being that we're already almost into February, we felt it was important to get the first event posted as soon as possible, rather than wait until we had every event scheduled. Most of the room owners who were involved last year are still interested in a tour this year, so getting these commitments is turning out to be more of a matter of scheduling rather than trying to generate interest.
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Jimmy M. said:
Ah, heck and I wanted to play Terry or Chuck
I don't really want to go into too much about the rules and such here, especially since there haven't really been many changes to speak of in that area. Not to mention, all of this will be covered before the first event. However, since Terry mentioned it, one of the rules actually is rack-your-own. In fact, it really is the only "rule" that has changed. There will be some stuff that will be presented, and possibly voted on by the players, before the first event. With that said, The real changes are primarily seen in what we are doing with the top points earners and with the addition of a season finale in which there will be more money added than what is added to the "regular season" events.
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Good luck with your venture Jimmy.
As we all know, this tour will only be as successful as the membership that supports it. That is why we need to stress the importance of this first kickoff tournament on March 15, 2008. At that tourney, we will discuss some of the formats for this season and ask for input from the initial members. I know we will not be able to please everyone; however, we will try our best. It's also important to remember that all membership fees will be going right back into the finale tournament at the end of the season in December. Jimmy and I are welcome to any new ideas the members may have that will assist in making this a success. So, please be sure to attend.
Dennis
Dennis
Jimmy M. said:
This is fantastic news for the players here in Arizona. I, for one, will be at the first event and will do everything I can to support this tour. Best of luck to both you and Dennis in making this successfull.
As far as suggestions and options, here are a few to pontificate:
- Open to any player (not just Arizona residents)
- Open to pros and amateurs
- Bonus for top finishing woman in an event (I was there last year when Susan Williams beat Pete Lhotka to get in the money, and I must say we were all very happy for her as she was the first Arizona female to place in an AZ All Around event. Promoting this may help bring out more women.)
- Bonus for top finishing woman in the points list
- Rack your own (I like this idea - as long as the rules for racking the balls in a certain order are set ahead of time)
- If it's "rack your own", then it may be a good idea to put a rule in effect that says the 9 or 10 ball may not be made in the lower 2 corner pockets closest to the rack. If it does go, then it spots. Their may be some rack artists our there that will purposely leave a gap between the 9 ball and the two balls behind it as that creates a much better chance for the 9 ball to make a straight bee line to one of those pockets. Or, sometimes a rack does not rack perfectly tight and there is no way to get the 9 ball frozen solid to the two balls behind it. This rule would eliminate this issue ALTOGETHER. I believe the Florida Pro Tour has a similar rule (maybe even making the 10 ball at all doesn't count on the break, not sure though).
- 14.1 and 1 hole events at locations with enough tables to support the time and amount of people to get the tournaments done in a timely manner (of course I'm thinking of the events help at On The Snap that went way too late on Saturday - brutal)
- No 3 foul rule
- Different start times - 12 PM??? (But I'm just lazy
- I wouldn't mind an extra hour of sleep)That's all I can think of for now, if I think of anymore, I'll bring them up later.
Ray
player meeting and vote??
I suspect the player meeting will be a doozy..Can i just pay my entry and membership fees and come back after the dinner break to play my 1st match??BigCat said:This is fantastic news for the players here in Arizona. I, for one, will be at the first event and will do everything I can to support this tour. Best of luck to both you and Dennis in making this successfull.
As far as suggestions and options, here are a few to pontificate:
- Open to any player (not just Arizona residents)
- Open to pros and amateurs
- Bonus for top finishing woman in an event (I was there last year when Susan Williams beat Pete Lhotka to get in the money, and I must say we were all very happy for her as she was the first Arizona female to place in an AZ All Around event. Promoting this may help bring out more women.)
- Bonus for top finishing woman in the points list
- Rack your own (I like this idea - as long as the rules for racking the balls in a certain order are set ahead of time)
- If it's "rack your own", then it may be a good idea to put a rule in effect that says the 9 or 10 ball may not be made in the lower 2 corner pockets closest to the rack. If it does go, then it spots. Their may be some rack artists our there that will purposely leave a gap between the 9 ball and the two balls behind it as that creates a much better chance for the 9 ball to make a straight bee line to one of those pockets. Or, sometimes a rack does not rack perfectly tight and there is no way to get the 9 ball frozen solid to the two balls behind it. This rule would eliminate this issue ALTOGETHER. I believe the Florida Pro Tour has a similar rule (maybe even making the 10 ball at all doesn't count on the break, not sure though).
- 14.1 and 1 hole events at locations with enough tables to support the time and amount of people to get the tournaments done in a timely manner (of course I'm thinking of the events help at On The Snap that went way too late on Saturday - brutal)
- No 3 foul rule
- Different start times - 12 PM??? (But I'm just lazy
That's all I can think of for now, if I think of anymore, I'll bring them up later.
Ray
BigCat said:
The tournaments will be open to anyone who wants to play
BigCat said:
This is something we're still talking about. There will probably be something for the top 'C' finisher in the points list at the end of the year.
BigCat said:
This is a rule that I have suggested and it will be definitely be presented to the players to vote on at the first player's meeting. While I think it's a fantastic addition to the "rack your own" rule, others are concerned that not everyone will view it that way. This rule, along with some other topics, will be discussed at the first player's meeting - which is why we're really hoping to get some participation at the meeting for the first event.
BigCat said:
I've always been a fan of the 3-foul rule, but I understand that it isn't so popular in Arizona. We may present this to the players at the players meeting if there seems to be enough interest in it.
BigCat said:- Different start times - 12 PM??? (But I'm just lazy
That's all I can think of for now, if I think of anymore, I'll bring them up later.
Ray
This may come as a surprise, and it's a little known fact, but I tend to show up on the late side quite often
D). I'd love to have the tournaments start later, but we also have to give some flexibility to the room owners to try to hold these tournaments within the time frame that they'd like to hold them. I will suggest it though since, yeah, 10:00am, and even 11:00am, is a little early for most pool players. The main reason that signups are a bit early for this first event is because we plan on discussing some of this stuff (even if Terry doesn't show up for the meeting
). I doubt "player's meetings" at future events will take much time at all and, as a result, shouldn't warrant an early start time (at least not for the sake of the player's meeting).
I really don't think it matters on the rack your own or rack for your opponent...I would personally rather have to deal with breaking mud racks than sitting there watching "explosion" racks that make the "wing+3" every time....(at least after the first mud rack, I can check the rack and I still have a chance to out safe them)...can't do much about the TNT rack jobs when only 6 balls are left on the table...(thats if the 9 does not go straight in corner)..........But thats just me....and of course you know...I am not one to ever get overly bothered by un-ethical racking....
C player bonus...(aka R.T. bonus) Womens player bonus...(aka S.W. bonus)...What about a incentive for the mass of B players that donate month after month with a very slim chance of catching a good enough draw to actually cash.
Some suggestions...
I guess my point is that if you are going to keep it a strictly open event with no handicap type tour...fine...but don't bonus C players and women....IF you are going to create bonus catagories to promote players...then don't forget about the mass of players that are above C level...but not good enough to be considered anything more than "dead money".
Whatever you do...you know I will donate my $50 at as many events as I am allowed by the boss to play in.......(I won't donate to the side pots under the current structure since its not my job to support S.F and M.E)
I am with Trainer on the rules...just tell me when its time to play.
I would suggest just deciding what rules you want, put them down on paper and hand them out at the first event......
If you want to (discuss and vote) on rules...I would suggest inviting a sample group of (players and room owners) to a pay for your own Denny's dinner and suggest and vote there......(I guess since its pool players....a 2:45am breakfast would be better)
C player bonus...(aka R.T. bonus) Womens player bonus...(aka S.W. bonus)...What about a incentive for the mass of B players that donate month after month with a very slim chance of catching a good enough draw to actually cash.
Some suggestions...
- No membership fee for any player 8 or below
- Reduced entry fees for ANY player that has yet to cash in an event
- Side payouts for the top finishing 7,8,9 in each event
- Side pot entries by rating
I guess my point is that if you are going to keep it a strictly open event with no handicap type tour...fine...but don't bonus C players and women....IF you are going to create bonus catagories to promote players...then don't forget about the mass of players that are above C level...but not good enough to be considered anything more than "dead money".
Whatever you do...you know I will donate my $50 at as many events as I am allowed by the boss to play in.......(I won't donate to the side pots under the current structure since its not my job to support S.F and M.E)
I am with Trainer on the rules...just tell me when its time to play.
I would suggest just deciding what rules you want, put them down on paper and hand them out at the first event......
If you want to (discuss and vote) on rules...I would suggest inviting a sample group of (players and room owners) to a pay for your own Denny's dinner and suggest and vote there......(I guess since its pool players....a 2:45am breakfast would be better)
As i said before, the tour will only be a success with membership support. Thank you Ray, for the positive comments and willingness to attempt to make it a success. Hopefully, many more will have a positive attitude towards it as well. Despite the road bumps and critics we will face, Jimmy and I will not let that affect our determination for an AZ. tour. I'm sure we can make it work. We have received a lot of positive feedback from many players over the past few days. See you at the first event!
I guess I don't understand why people wouldn't think discussing issues at a "player's meeting" is a good idea, considering that is the primary purpose of a "player's meeting". It would seem to me to be the most logical platform to discuss issues. As far as putting forth items to "vote", I don't expect it to be so formal and drawn out. I am playing in the event myself, and I would certainly rather be playing than talking.
If I were just playing in the events, and had nothing to do with organizing them, I would like to be able to show up at the first event and say, "yeah, I like the rule with money balls not counting in the bottom two pockets", if that is how I felt, and actually have my voice heard. While we would like to have input from the players, if no one cares to be a part of any decision making process, it will not stop the tour from moving forward. We just felt that, for some things, especially since this will be the first event, we would get some input from the players before making certain decisions.
Anyone who wants to play, but doesn't want to endure a player's meeting, is certainly welcome to do so. I've played in I-don't-know-how-many tournaments where player's meetings were held, and I rarely attended them myself. If a player wishes not to participate in a player's meeting, I certainly respect their decision. I would only ask that they, in turn, respect the decisions that are made without them.
If I were just playing in the events, and had nothing to do with organizing them, I would like to be able to show up at the first event and say, "yeah, I like the rule with money balls not counting in the bottom two pockets", if that is how I felt, and actually have my voice heard. While we would like to have input from the players, if no one cares to be a part of any decision making process, it will not stop the tour from moving forward. We just felt that, for some things, especially since this will be the first event, we would get some input from the players before making certain decisions.
Anyone who wants to play, but doesn't want to endure a player's meeting, is certainly welcome to do so. I've played in I-don't-know-how-many tournaments where player's meetings were held, and I rarely attended them myself. If a player wishes not to participate in a player's meeting, I certainly respect their decision. I would only ask that they, in turn, respect the decisions that are made without them.
Sounds like it will be a great success.
