Olhausen Champion Pro

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I am thinking about buying this table. I have heard alot of good things about them. The dealer told me $4,000.00 thats delivered set up with shimmed pockets & simonis felt. Also they guarantee the rails for lifetime & will come out and re level if ever needed.

I would like some opinions on the table itself and the price if anyone is familiar with these tables?
How do they stack up to GC & Diamonds?
Thanks, Travis
 
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the Gold Crown has better resale value of any of the top 3 tables (GC, OL Ch Pro, and Dmd. Pro). however, it does cost more.

they, of course, play the Challenge of the Champions on the Olhausen so it must be an outstanding table. i have played on all 3, and can honestly say i seriously considered all 3 last year, but decided to buy the Gold Crown since its referred to as the "Industry Standard" table.

the price sounds good, i think you will like it a great deal. however, if an extra couple of thousand isnt a big deal i would recommend going with the gold crown.

just my $.02
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In November I sold my Ohlhausen Pro (9 ft., Simonis 860). I've had my GCIV (mahogany, Simonis 860) for about 2 months. I have 2 friends with GCIV's, one mahogany, one shiny black with grey cloth. Our local pool hall has Diamonds (9 foot, Simonis 860 & 1 table with Corina).

They all are fine tables (though a true pool fanatic would be happy with a 6 foot plywood table and rubber balls) - commercial tables for pool halls and true pool fanatics. The Diamonds have the smallest pockets when set up standard. The GCIV pockets are like bushel baskets - with new cloth its hard to miss (the Ohlhausen pockets are in between). I had my GCIV single shimmed and I really think that is best (my 2 GCIV friends with the bushel basket pockets both prefer my table). The Diamond and the GCIV seem to be a little sturdier and a little fancier (at least in mahogany) than the Ohlhausen (I've helped with the installation of all 3). My good friend is the Ohlhausen dealer, so don't tell him I think the GCIV has the best playing cushions (Diamond very similar, Ohlhausen not quite as good). If the cushions ever go bad, I'll just replace them (though a friend has been playing on his for 15 years and they are as good as new). I honestly think the GCIV and the Diamond are a little step ahead. I bought one only because it was considered the standard tournament table for years (I think that is changing nowadays, but I mainly live in the past anyway). I would avoid the shiny black GCIV, the laminated rail surface scratches like crazy (after 2 years, my friends table does look a little worn). I also would avoid any cloth but blue or green. The grey and brown chalk DOES NOT WORK AS WELL AS BLUE - on my friends grey and brown cloths I miscue like crazy and can't use any radical English (at least this is the excuse I use when he beats my @#$&). As always, just my opinion.
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
the Gold Crown has better resale value of any of the top 3 tables (GC, OL Ch Pro, and Dmd. Pro). however, it does cost more.

they, of course, play the Challenge of the Champions on the Olhausen so it must be an outstanding table. i have played on all 3, and can honestly say i seriously considered all 3 last year, but decided to buy the Gold Crown since its referred to as the "Industry Standard" table.

the price sounds good, i think you will like it a great deal. however, if an extra couple of thousand isnt a big deal i would recommend going with the gold crown.

just my $.02
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Resale value on Olh Pro C table is terrible. Less than 2K.
The Gold Crowns just play better. The cushions rebound more accurately. The ball rolls more honestly. Great thing about GC's too is the shape of the rails. Tear shaped and low profile. You bend over, you see the pockets easily.
 
for the person who originally started this thread, "thinking of going with the champion pro from olhauson" let me say, that i strongly highly, thourougly, 100% disagree with the people who responded, saying that the gold crown is better and so is the diamond. let me say, i've played on brunswick gold crown 1's 2's 3's and 4's since i was 7 years old. i'm now 43. the brunswick gold crown 4 is by far, without question, absoloutly the single most OVERRATED pool table in the history of the world! this table is OVERBLOWN plastic! to be brief, the only reason why brunswick is the "so called" standard of the industry is simple, back in 1845 john moses brunswick a jewish german immigrant made the first sturdy pool table. since then the word spread like wild fire- "only buy brunswick, they are the strongest table made" but, here is the thing, for the last 6 years, brunswick has there tables made by kimmble piano, a company that makes pianos. would you want your automobile made by steinway and sons? i would not. the truth of the matter is, the brunswick gold crowns play fair. on a scale of 1-10 they play like a 5. as far as the diamond table is concerned, i never played on one, although, i heard, they are built by players and not craftsmen, this scares me, although i never played on a diamond, the word throughout the new york area, is that they play poorly. enter donny and butch olhausen. the year was 1973 the two olhausen brothers, knew, that they could make a better table than brunswick. today, 31 years later they have the biggest, and highest state of the art facility in the united states in san diego california. the craftsman, and materials, along with their genius methods and designs of carrying it all out, and putting it all together, is second to none. now, onto how the olhausen champion pro plays, and why it's better than any table in the world.
let me say, i have not played on every pool table in the world, most people have not. most of my life i have played on the tables that are wrongly and falsely installed in pool halls , the brunswick gold crown. so the following is a direct comparrison to the brunswick gold crown. i played on the olhausen champion pro at the 2001 international challenge of champions on the practice table. my mind was blown. the frame- the frame for the brunswick gold crown 4 is a waste of space! it stinks! it's plastic garbage, it's over rated crapola, it plainly SUCKS! now, you may ask "what is the frame, and how important is it? the frame is what holds and supports the slate, it is perhaps the single most important part of the pool table. the olhausen champion pro frame, is the strongest in the world. it could hold a full grown elephant sitting on it! the brunswick frame would collapse in seconds. so what does that mean? keep reading, the slate- brunswick uses, whatever it finds, the champion pro uses the world's greatest flatest slate, L.E.O.A.N.I. now, the strongest frame, coupled with the flatest slate, equals, the worlds most accurate playing surface. the accuracy of the olhausen champion pro is 1000 times more accurate, not even close, the difference is very extremly, obvious the balls rolls accuratly, now brunswick lovers would say hey, brunswick rolls accuratly, the answer, not like the olhausen. and finally, the cushions- the cushions on the gold crown are decent cushions, they are ok, fine, alright, not bad, average, nice. the accu-fast cushions which olhausen invented, are THE MOST ACCURATE and FASTEST CUSHIONS YOU EVER PLAYED ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! these cushions are god like. olhausen decided many, many years ago, that the standard cushions available to humans were ok, nice , not bad, they said, let's invent, cushions that are so alive, and so accurate on the angle rebound, that people, who "know" will only recomend our cushions. well, they came up with the "accurate-fast" cushions, accu-fast, for short, i could go on and on about these cushions, but i will leave you with this thought, helen keller, could play a decent game of bank pool on them, and great bankers, could play on these cushions, with one hand tyed behind their back, and a bad case of the flu, i'm talking about accurate cushions! a gigantic difference compared to brunswick. so to sum up, $4000 for an olhausen champion pro is a great price, jump on it! i do recomend, simonis 860 cloth, and aramith centenial balls.
 
Bernie, you are way off.
The strongest frame is built by Gabriel. It's I beam steel.
I played on the Olhausen Pro Jeannete Lee bean Allison on in San Diego many moons ago. The table played like crap. The balls were hopping in the corners.
The frame on Olh C are laminated wood.
My Gold Crown II's frame has withstood 4 decades and is still dead nuts.
The slates are pinned and doweled.
The new GC's have built-in levelers.
Olh's cushion has no canvas top. It has uncontrolled rebound. Players hate it.
How many pools halls do you know that have Olh tables?
Not very many. The two I know, went ouf of business.
 
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how many pool halls have olhausen, that i know of ? none, what does that mean? nothing, pool halls know crap about tables, as far as buying a brunswick vs an olhausen, i say to the young man, play on both of them, and make up your own mind. everyone shouting back and forth, does nothing.
 
i know lots that have olhausen's. i have play many years on both also and would take the olh. and to tell the truth, the champion pro and grand champion are heavier the the g.c.. also as far as tourny's go, they use what ever table company has the right bid. brunswick is working it's way out of sponcering tourny's, except when they have a new table.i could go on but...that is why we have choices, cause we all have opions, likes and dislikes. my advice is to make your own deicion. decide what you like and want in your house. i do sell them, but it comes down to what you want, nobody else. what ever table you get i know you will love it, and you should...good luck
 
There is a pool hall close to me that just opened. It has 7 Olhausen tables, 5 of them are 7' tables and 2 are 9'. I played on them and it did take some getting used to, but I did not find that they were awful. I did notice that many shots which would have fallen on the Valley tables were jawing in the corner pockets.
 
THE SILENCER said:
how many pool halls have olhausen, that i know of ? none, what does that mean? nothing, pool halls know crap about tables, as far as buying a brunswick vs an olhausen, i say to the young man, play on both of them, and make up your own mind. everyone shouting back and forth, does nothing.
Who's shouting?
You basically called GC's plastic crap.
Go to Hard Times. What kind of tables do they have?
Go to The Cue Club. What kind of tables to they have?
Amsterdam, Shooters...
So owners know nothing about tables and you do? lol
Diamond tables play poorly? lol Built by players not craftsmen? lol
It was designed by pro players. Diamond tables are players' tables. They play great. This guy knows he has a great table.
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Olh's does have a great dealer network. They do have better distribution and licensing/franchising system. Nice home tables.
But, when it comes to commercial tables, Diamond, Gabriel, Sam/Kim Steel and GC IV are better imo.
 
Thanks everyone for responding. How much does a new SAM/Kim Steel 9' table cost? I cant find much info on them online? Thanks, Travis

I like the GC's also but when I went to the dealer the other day. They treated me like trash. Did not even ask if they could help me or nothing. And from what I heard the company is all about the money & dont care much about their distributers. So I think I am gonna stay away from the GC.
 
i do not own a pool table. if i were to buy one, and never played on a champion pro from olhausen, before plopping down $5000, i would play on one, instead of getting opinions. if the store can not provide you with a table to try out, don't buy from them. i could see if a table was $80, then maybe, but for $5000, i'd want to play on one!
 
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travisj said:
Thanks everyone for responding. How much does a new SAM/Kim Steel 9' table cost? I cant find much info on them online? Thanks, Travis

I like the GC's also but when I went to the dealer the other day. They treated me like trash. Did not even ask if they could help me or nothing. And from what I heard the company is all about the money & dont care much about their distributers. So I think I am gonna stay away from the GC.
Travis, in that case call Diamond Billiards.
http://www.diamondbilliard.com/tables/professional.aspx
They sell direct and they treat their customers right.
 
THE SILENCER said:
i do not own a pool table. if i were to buy one, and never played on a champion pro from olhausen, before plopping down $5000, i would play on one, instead of getting opinions. if the store can not provide you with a table to try out, don't buy from them. i could see if a table was $80, then maybe, but for $5000, i'd want to play on one!
interesting thought, being in the business i have been in a lot of billiard supply store, and i have yet to see one that doesn't have a table to try out. good thing we are way ahead of you on that one.
 
travisj said:
Thanks everyone for responding. How much does a new SAM/Kim Steel 9' table cost? I cant find much info on them online? Thanks, Travis

I like the GC's also but when I went to the dealer the other day. They treated me like trash. Did not even ask if they could help me or nothing. And from what I heard the company is all about the money & dont care much about their distributers. So I think I am gonna stay away from the GC.


I also don't think you'll regret an Olhausen. When it was said that a GC plays better, I don't agree. I think they do play DIFFERENTLY to a degree and all of the various manufacturer's tables have a different look to them as far as the way the pockets are cut and the design of the outer frame when you're setting up to shoot. However, it's more visual than anything and what you get used to. But accu-fast cushions are hard to beat and 1" slate with Simonis 860 is 1" slate with Simonis 860 regardless of the name of the table, they both roll smooth. One doesn't have ruts or grooves in it make it roll crooked and all tables have to be properly leveled. I think the Olhausen does cut their corner pockets differently than Brunswick and you will never get off the rail slop to fall very often, it'll jar. Also if you shoot too hard and don't catch the pocket right, it will jar more frequently than other tables. Is that good or bad? Well it does require you to focus on being careful and precise.
I'm surely not knocking a GC or Diamond, they're super tables, but so is an Olhausen. And they're all like cars, as soon as you take them off the show room floor depreciation starts setting in fast and furious. A GC starts off at a much higher price to begin with, but you can still get some great deals on used, so they're not protected from hitting rock bottom in price either. It all depends on the desperation of the seller to get rid of it.
 
It sounds like the Silencer has never really seen the insides of these tables. The Brunswick had incredibly thick wooden supports, resting on steel. The Ohlhausen had less than half the thickness of support frame. The slates on the Brunswick were a little thicker. The skirts and legs of the Brunswick are mahogany, laminate rails. I'm not sure what the Ohlhausen was made of (?composite of some kind). Maybe a pool table geek/installer on the forum could weigh in.
 
two things. first, if you go with the olhausen champion pro, which i believe you should, get the largest pockets you can, like the pros use in the international challenge of champions. i have no idea what people are saying on this site as far as it's harder to make balls in the olhausen's corner pockets, but all i could say to that is this, if you watch the I.C.O.C. you will find, they could miss the bloody pocket by ONE FULL DIAMOND UP! and still make the ball!!! now, if that is not "easy" pockets, then what the hell is! secondly, i suggest you call the pool table authority, the guru, the man, who's family has been working for brunswick since 1889! look up his phone number, the name of his firm is century billiards, located in east northport long island new york in suffouk county. his name is bob grimaldi. he will discuss the entire history with you, from the very first pool table made, to the trend setting tables of the future. the most prestigious straight pool tournaments of the chicago ballrooms in the 1940's were set up by century billiards, by his dad, and then, his dad's dad!, he will tell you and i quote " brunswick USED to make the greatest tables in the world, now i do not sell them because they are a mere shadow of what they once were" he will go on to say " by far the greatest pool table in the world is an olhausen champion pro" don't take my word for it, travis, but do--- take his,- word for it, he's been around!
 
THE SILENCER said:
two things. first, if you go with the olhausen champion pro, which i believe you should, get the largest pockets you can, like the pros use in the international challenge of champions. i have no idea what people are saying on this site as far as it's harder to make balls in the olhausen's corner pockets, but all i could say to that is this, if you watch the I.C.O.C. you will find, they could miss the bloody pocket by ONE FULL DIAMOND UP! and still make the ball!!! now, if that is not "easy" pockets, then what the hell is!

Why would you want easy pockets? The pockets should be tight to teach you to hit better.
 
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