One of the most amazing cues!!!!!!!
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Thank you. I mean, we all have Masturbated (Rubbed one out!!) so thats not the point here! lolololol. Anyway, He is from Washington. This particular cue did not take much time for a few reasons. All the materials including the Ivory was stable and ready. We also sent it to some shows. So there was a dead line that had to be meet. I would say a normal order from Mr. Gracio is about 6 monthish. He does require a deposit but your cue will arrive as said un like some cue builders. (take no offense cue builders to that) He is a detail craftsmen and he is also mechanically inclined which also very important. I would estimate about 30 cues or a hair more a year. His pricing is fair. I mean, you do get what you pay for. Will he be the cheapest, no! Will he be fair and will you be happy, Hell Yes!! So at the end of the day it works out. I do know he is considering taking on some dealers and putting out some more work. SO if you contacted him which you should you will find a pleasant experience on the other end. Nice guy and very good at what he does. This cue here has 800.00 in Ivory cost alone in it. SO obviously it was a expensive cue. I have another old growth shaft he is building for it coming.Qjunkie said:
I thought Gracio was in Spokane?
bish4201 said:
What makes you think the ivory is worth that much? Did the CM tell you that?
I CAN NOT BELIEVE a cue maker would select Monkey Pod as a forearm wood.
Among other places, like So Amer, it's VERY COMMON in the PI, where it's used for furniture and all kinds of stuff. (Which is OK, unless you move the furniture or other item to a different climate.) Where was this cue made again??
Plus, it's not considered to be, um, visually appealing wood for this application. It's fine for bowls, etc. So a lot of monkey pod items coming here are painted, to hide the um, characteristics of the wood.
And it's extremely coarse. Easy to turn, but impossible to turn to a smooth finish. This was certainly "filled" prior to applying the finish.
So, you think this guy spliced ivory into Monkey Pod? I assure you - there's something wrong with that statement!
My guess is that it's not Monkey Pod.......and then I'd say it's a decent looking cue!
-von
No exactly
I have been trading Ivory for years!! I will 100% guarantee you that the slabes it took to mill these points , Yes I said Milled!!! Was after joint and Hoppe RIng points around 800.00. Please tell me where I can get 10 POUNDS!! Of stable true Elephant tusk Ivory with consistant white color with no cracks and I will pay you double. What not considering is how rare it is to get clean, white, nicely grained, 3/8 of an inch thick 9" long 6 pieces of Ivory for under 600.00 Thats not including a joint which is 40.00 bucks or so. A quarter inch thick solid puck of Ivory,50.00 bucks, ringwork, 20.00 and of course 25.00 x 2 for ferrules. http://www.coastivory.com/elephant2.htm
Make sure you pay real close attention to the LENGHTS!! To mill a 8" point it at least takes 9" of Ivory. Nobody unless you spend a ton of money has a section straight enough that you can get all those cuts out of it. Plus, this particular company here I have provided a link to does not have a+ Ivory. It is yellow most of the way through with Ivory Bark which is most of the weight. It also not stable as they will tell you themselves. OHH It also weighs between 3-5 pounds!!!!! Again, 10 pounds of stable clean, no bark for added weight, long enough for points for 800.00 ???? show me were to send the check!!!! Just my IMO
What I say here please take no offense to..masonh said:
I have been trading Ivory for years!! I will 100% guarantee you that the slabes it took to mill these points , Yes I said Milled!!! Was after joint and Hoppe RIng points around 800.00. Please tell me where I can get 10 POUNDS!! Of stable true Elephant tusk Ivory with consistant white color with no cracks and I will pay you double. What not considering is how rare it is to get clean, white, nicely grained, 3/8 of an inch thick 9" long 6 pieces of Ivory for under 600.00 Thats not including a joint which is 40.00 bucks or so. A quarter inch thick solid puck of Ivory,50.00 bucks, ringwork, 20.00 and of course 25.00 x 2 for ferrules. http://www.coastivory.com/elephant2.htm
Make sure you pay real close attention to the LENGHTS!! To mill a 8" point it at least takes 9" of Ivory. Nobody unless you spend a ton of money has a section straight enough that you can get all those cuts out of it. Plus, this particular company here I have provided a link to does not have a+ Ivory. It is yellow most of the way through with Ivory Bark which is most of the weight. It also not stable as they will tell you themselves. OHH It also weighs between 3-5 pounds!!!!! Again, 10 pounds of stable clean, no bark for added weight, long enough for points for 800.00 ???? show me were to send the check!!!! Just my IMO
Last I checked, ivory in tusk form was going for $150 plus per pound...even more for high quality. I don't doubt the cost of the ivory. For a handle any cuemaker will charge you at least $100-$150 per inch. My only thoughts are how they are spliced into this wood. Surely the monkey pod was epoxy-stabilized and then cored....can't imagine that this would be a stable set-up if not.
Also would be curious to know the final cost of this cue, if you would like to share it with me via PM. It's a very nice looking cue. But yet another new cuemaker (in an already tight US market) who appears to be doing really nice work. I'm curious how he is marketing his stuff and how many he's been making. Never heard of him, but I'm sure there's more west-coast makers that I've not enountered their work yet. Thanks for the pics and info.
Also would be curious to know the final cost of this cue, if you would like to share it with me via PM. It's a very nice looking cue. But yet another new cuemaker (in an already tight US market) who appears to be doing really nice work. I'm curious how he is marketing his stuff and how many he's been making. Never heard of him, but I'm sure there's more west-coast makers that I've not enountered their work yet. Thanks for the pics and info.
right!
Your dead accurate on the Ivory. The Monkey Pod was pressure treated. It's very stable. I have a connection for perfect high quality old stable Ivory. I would be happy to share with you. The Ivory thats spliced was backed with Diamond wood. Then it was cored of course with Diamond wood. If you know Diamond wood, it is extremely hard and stable. I'm telling ya, AWESOME hit and feel. I really did not think it would be that good because of the Ivory and what not. I knew it would be fun to look at but would not be the player. Man!!! I was dead wrong. It is a complete players cue and I will continue to do just that with it.cueaddicts said:
Well
I know that you are a wood dealer. If your saying that Monkey Pod can't be used because it is used in Furniture and other things like bowls etc.. Well I guess we have to throw out, Ebony, Rosewood, Burl in all forms, Maple, Oak which older cues were done in, Purple Heart, Burl Ash, Olive Wood, Pau Fero, should I go on. The truth is you need to look at the pics again. The wood is stunning!! The wood was not filled. It has been UV clear finished, It was however pressure treated first. Yes you can get Monkey Pod smooth!! I mean no disrespect intended but there is no wood just used and retrieved for just the cue industry. That Monkey Pod is the sh@#. So the other pieces in the world I could care less about. In this cue its very nice.VonRhett said:What makes you think the ivory is worth that much? Did the CM tell you that?
I CAN NOT BELIEVE a cue maker would select Monkey Pod as a forearm wood.
Among other places, like So Amer, it's VERY COMMON in the PI, where it's used for furniture and all kinds of stuff. (Which is OK, unless you move the furniture or other item to a different climate.) Where was this cue made again??
Plus, it's not considered to be, um, visually appealing wood for this application. It's fine for bowls, etc. So a lot of monkey pod items coming here are painted, to hide the um, characteristics of the wood.
And it's extremely coarse. Easy to turn, but impossible to turn to a smooth finish. This was certainly "filled" prior to applying the finish.
So, you think this guy spliced ivory into Monkey Pod? I assure you - there's something wrong with that statement!
My guess is that it's not Monkey Pod.......and then I'd say it's a decent looking cue!
-von
Just my 2 cents...I think the cue looks great and it probably hits great too. Here's a link to his website; http://g-qs.bravehost.com/index.html, I came across a cue of his that was foresale that I liked and looked him up on the web. I really like the looks of his work.
Larry
Larry
For Sale
I was in the pool hall Sat. and had a close call with disaster. Nothing happened but I decided to sell it. (1) I would love for other people to play and trade with the cue so Scotts work gets out there. (2) I really do not feel that comfortable playing with that cue where I play. I would like some trade offers or cash. I would be looking for a players cue. BEM Harris, BEM Zyler, BEM Southwest, Etc... Other woods are fine as well. I have been struggling with this but I feel guilty having this great cue and so many of you guys have not had the oppurtunity to see Scotts work and play with it. I have another one being built so no big deal. So hit me up with anything you might want to do. I have no problem with giving somebody a good deal. But, I'm not giving this cue away.
View pics here: http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/c...rue&interval=3
I was in the pool hall Sat. and had a close call with disaster. Nothing happened but I decided to sell it. (1) I would love for other people to play and trade with the cue so Scotts work gets out there. (2) I really do not feel that comfortable playing with that cue where I play. I would like some trade offers or cash. I would be looking for a players cue. BEM Harris, BEM Zyler, BEM Southwest, Etc... Other woods are fine as well. I have been struggling with this but I feel guilty having this great cue and so many of you guys have not had the oppurtunity to see Scotts work and play with it. I have another one being built so no big deal. So hit me up with anything you might want to do. I have no problem with giving somebody a good deal. But, I'm not giving this cue away.
View pics here: http://s217.photobucket.com/albums/c...rue&interval=3