One Pocket - Come to the Dark Side?

LiL_C said:
I agree 100 percent I live in New Orleans and Cliff Joyner is currently here and I have had the pleasure of watching him play a bunch of times and I really dont think he's human with the shots he comes up and the jams he gets out of by far he is the best I have ever seen play the game.
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You want to see some great one pocket? Come down to central florida and look up an Adam Wheeler. He plays it so effortlessly.
 
Since all the one-pocketers are gathered here, anyone mind if I hijack the thread a bit?

Top 5 AccuStat 1p tapes? Best commentators?

Best instructional videos? I have almost all Grady's, and Bill Incardona's accustat 1p tape. Koehler's book, and Shots, Moves, Strategies (by far the best).
 
Kevin said:
Since all the one-pocketers are gathered here, anyone mind if I hijack the thread a bit?

Top 5 AccuStat 1p tapes? Best commentators?

Best instructional videos? I have almost all Grady's, and Bill Incardona's accustat 1p tape. Koehler's book, and Shots, Moves, Strategies (by far the best).
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From what I hear, you should also get tapes with commentary by Freddy "The Beard" Bentivegna. Also, anything with Steve Cook, Jimmy Fusco, and Jack Cooney in it.
 
sjm said:
Well, listing the shots unique to straight pool would take hours. Most, but not all of them, are in the tactical portion of the game.

Here are two shots unique to eight ball, a game I very rarely play. I'm humbled to note that I was the victim. The position was that shown in the first table below. My opponent was at the table and had stripes. Surely, he wasn't running out from the position shown in the first table, and I figured I was a big favorite to win the rack in this position, as I have my balls open and the two ball would always get me started.

First, my opponent pocketed the obvious shot on the fourteen, but in doing so nudged the one against the five, leaving the position in the second table shown below. Next, my opponent caromed the cue ball off the thirteen and knocked the two in, leaving the position shown in the third table shown below. Suddenly, it was my turn and I was dead duck. What happened, I wondered?

The answer, of course, is that I feel victim to a couple of shots unique to eight ball, shots that might not have ever occurred to me because I don't often play eight ball.
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sjm, you kept us in suspense as to what you did. It looks like you may be able to block the pocket for the 10 ball by banking the 1 ball straight back. It seems, with a soft speed, the 1 catches a second rail near the bottom left corner and nestles right there!

It's pretty obvious the guy you were playing is a strong 8 baller. Perfect strategy!
 
Kevin said:
Since all the one-pocketers are gathered here, anyone mind if I hijack the thread a bit?

Top 5 AccuStat 1p tapes? Best commentators?

Best instructional videos? I have almost all Grady's, and Bill Incardona's accustat 1p tape. Koehler's book, and Shots, Moves, Strategies (by far the best).
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GREAT Accu Stats tapes:
Marquez vs Frost/Reyes vs Marquez :Marquez shows how patience pays off
Buddy Hall vs Cliff Joyner :Buddy plays old school
Reyes vs Daulton: Man can they shoot
Favorite commentary:Incardona
 
Jude,

Don't tell me you've start playing one pocket???!!! Your post actually sounds kind of enthusiastic.


Jude Rosenstock said:
Sorry SJM, you misunderstood me. I was speaking of unique shots, not unique situations. Both of your scenarios may be unique situations to the game but they're not unique shots. Usually people bump balls into position, not into clusters and usually a carom is an offensive play, not a defensive one. But the physical characteristics of both plays comes up in many other games.

1-hole has shots that simply aren't employed anywhere else. There are 2 and 3 rails shots that NEVER come up in any other game. If your opponent has hung up a ball near his hole, it's actually considered a good play to pocket the ball and jump the cue-ball off the table. That sir, is unique!
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BackPocket9Ball said:
Jude,

Don't tell me you've start playing one pocket???!!! Your post actually sounds kind of enthusiastic.
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Hey, I haven't seen you in a while!

Well, unfortunately there isn't a single tight pocket table in Manhattan unless you're willing to consider Broadway Billiards. Since I quit smoking, my sense of smell has heightened and I don't think I can even walk near the place. Although they do have some perfect tables for 1-hole, they're in dire need of the same service the MTA employs to clean their subway stations. It smells like Broadway/Lafayette Station circa 1980 (the middle level right above the F-line).

Amsterdam Billiards has had open discussion about tightening one of their tables. When they do that, I will definately start playing some 1-hole. I may even have a little gamble in me!
 
Last time I was in the city, about 2 months ago, I played with some non-pool-playing friends at SoHo Billiards and I think they had a fairly tight table in the front by the desk. I doubt they have any players, though.


Jude Rosenstock said:
Hey, I haven't seen you in a while!

Well, unfortunately there isn't a single tight pocket table in Manhattan unless you're willing to consider Broadway Billiards. Since I quit smoking, my sense of smell has heightened and I don't think I can even walk near the place. Although they do have some perfect tables for 1-hole, they're in dire need of the same service the MTA employs to clean their subway stations. It smells like Broadway/Lafayette Station circa 1980 (the middle level right above the F-line).

Amsterdam Billiards has had open discussion about tightening one of their tables. When they do that, I will definately start playing some 1-hole. I may even have a little gamble in me!
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What is a tight pocket for 1P?

Jude Rosenstock said:
Amsterdam Billiards has had open discussion about tightening one of their tables. When they do that, I will definately start playing some 1-hole. I may even have a little gamble in me!
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Thanks for the comments everyone.

I played 1P for the first time at Hollywood Billiards in LA. It was also the first time I had been there and noticed immediately that the table we were on (Not sure if all of them were like this) had pockets cut to less than 4 1/2", so that 2 balls could not even enter the jaws side by side. The pockets facings also appeared to have been cut directly from the rail rubber, as I could not see or feel a shim. (An fabled Ernesto job perhaps?) Certainly part of my initial playing problems were just getting a feel for the pockets, which led me to play slow and carefully even on easy open shots. Still, I did manage to make one nice cross-corner double bank I was pleased with.

Jude - I know what you mean about lingering cigarrette smells. The one time I went to Hard Times in LA I was overwhelmed by that evil stench even though smoking has been banned there for years. Time to replace the carpets!

I feel for the moment I will not pursue 1P. Perhaps it is being raised playing Snooker, but to me Pool is about running multiple balls, not making one or two and playing safe on every single innings. I appreciate there is a skill to this, and that running an entire rack in 1P is harder than in 9 or 8 Ball, but why deliberately shackle your skillset? Hittman - You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned the absence of rhythm. When I watch the good 9 Ball players running multiple racks that is the rhythm I want to be able to develop, so I don't want to dedicate a lot of time to learning a deliberatly arhythmic game.
 
BackPocket9Ball said:
Last time I was in the city, about 2 months ago, I played with some non-pool-playing friends at SoHo Billiards and I think they had a fairly tight table in the front by the desk. I doubt they have any players, though.
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That used to be one of the premier rooms in the city. Everybody used to go there during the early 90's. Unfortunately, that's about the same time they reclothed the tables.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Well, unfortunately there isn't a single tight pocket table in Manhattan unless you're willing to consider Broadway Billiards....
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I believe that just a couple of months ago, Corner Billiards made one of its tables very tight for use in its one pocket league.
 
sjm said:
I believe that just a couple of months ago, Corner Billiards made one of its tables very tight for use in its one pocket league.
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You know, I completely forgot about Corner Billiards! Table 18 is perfect last I remember! With the weather so nice now, I gotta get myself down there. Unbelieveable how I could forget Corner Billiards. There's only 3 rooms in Manhattan and I completely forgot about one of them! SJM, I swear I'm falling apart!
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
You know, I completely forgot about Corner Billiards! Table 18 is perfect last I remember!
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Howdy,
I played on it few years ago and I enjoyed playing on it.
vagabond
 
1pocket said:
... From what I've seen, those that are bored with One Pocket generally don't understand the game...
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I disagree with that to some extend. I think what games you like depend a lot on your personality. Personally, I don't like 1p because I don't have the patience and don't care to learn it. My not liking it takes nothing away from it or the people who do like it. I just don't enjoy it, just as I don't enjoy chess despite understanding it. I'm sure that there is something I enjoy doing that you don't, soccer for instance.
"Different strokes for different folks" as Sammy Davis Jr. once said.
 
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