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Ok, both player have made 7 balls each and the only remaining ball is hanging in jaws of my opponent's pocket. Normal tactics involve making the ball for your opponent and trying to either scratch or get the cueball airborne and land off table thus keeping the rack alive with a foul. My question: is it considered an unsportmanship conduct if I double-hit or push the cueball and make the ball to the opponent's pocket and create a foul ? Or is there a special rule in 1-pocket for this ?
 
mjantti said:
Ok, both player have made 7 balls each and the only remaining ball is hanging in jaws of my opponent's pocket. Normal tactics involve making the ball for your opponent and trying to either scratch or get the cueball airborne and land off table thus keeping the rack alive with a foul. My question: is it considered an unsportmanship conduct if I double-hit or push the cueball and make the ball to the opponent's pocket and create a foul ? Or is there a special rule in 1-pocket for this ?
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;) another option which i have witnessed grady mathews do is draw the object ball out of the opponents pocket,it might be on one of his instuctional video's,you have to see it to believe it!
 
Are you referring to the position where object ball lies close to the jaw and then you shoot the cueball close to the other jaw and draw them both out of the pocket ? Could be done only if the pockets are very tight...
 
this relates to another grey area. playing one hole or 14.1 and you have your opponent on 2 fouls or whatever, and the cue ball is in the proximty of a corner pocket where it would be beneficial to cornerhook him. is it wrong to use your cue and push the cueball into the cornerhook and hold it there? wouldn't it just be essentially a double hit and a normal foul? i don't play much straight pool or 1 pocket, so i don't know the official ruling on this type of play.
 
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mjantti said:
Are you referring to the position where object ball lies close to the jaw and then you shoot the cueball close to the other jaw and draw them both out of the pocket ? Could be done only if the pockets are very tight...



:p yes
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accdealer said:
this relates to another grey area. playing one hole or 14.1 and you have your opponent on 2 fouls or whatever, and the cue ball is in the proximty of a corner pocket where it would be beneficial to cornerhook him. is it wrong to use your cue and push the cueball into the cornerhook and hold it there? wouldn't it just be essentially a double hit and a normal foul? i don't play much straight pool or 1 pocket, so i don't know the official ruling on this type of play.
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Now, that you reminded. I think it was declared some time ago that at least in straight pool cornerhooking your opponent with a push shot is considered an unsportmanship conduct. It's too easy to gain advantage with a foul shot. You might as well shoot the cueball with your tip and place it with your hand in the desired position...
 
mjantti said:
Ok, both player have made 7 balls each and the only remaining ball is hanging in jaws of my opponent's pocket. Normal tactics involve making the ball for your opponent and trying to either scratch or get the cueball airborne and land off table thus keeping the rack alive with a foul. My question: is it considered an unsportmanship conduct if I double-hit or push the cueball and make the ball to the opponent's pocket and create a foul ? Or is there a special rule in 1-pocket for this ?
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Assuming there is no referee, as is virtually always the case when most of us play pool, the double hit foul is one generally called by the player committing the infraction. Hence, if this tactic were permitted, why not just knock in the hanging ball and call a double hit foul on yourself even if you didn't double hit the cue ball?

I look forward to hearing from the rules gurus on this one, but I'm guessing that this tactic is not permitted.
 
Yes, it is unsportnamlike conduct and should never be condoned !!!

There are only two generally accepted ways to make a ball in your opponent's pocket and not have it stay down and count:
1 If the cue ball pocket scratches on the shot
2 If the cue ball jumps the table on the shot
Both of those are classic techniques for 'staying alive' that are important strategies in the end game of One Pocket.

For all other fouls (double hits, push shots, cue stick hits the object ball, etc), balls made in the opponent's pocket stay down -- even if a foul is called. Even the BCA rules (not the best known source for 1-P rules) for One Pocket say that. For further clarification, see the "RULES" section at www.onepocket.org

Troy
mjantti said:
Ok, both player have made 7 balls each and the only remaining ball is hanging in jaws of my opponent's pocket. Normal tactics involve making the ball for your opponent and trying to either scratch or get the cueball airborne and land off table thus keeping the rack alive with a foul. My question: is it considered an unsportmanship conduct if I double-hit or push the cueball and make the ball to the opponent's pocket and create a foul ? Or is there a special rule in 1-pocket for this ?
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i'm confused

sorry i cant answer your question cause i dont play one pocket but i do have a question about the game though.

the first time i played that game the old-fart quit on me cause i made 7 balls. come to think of it, what the ghan is the big deal making 7 balls in the same pocket when the rack is open with all the balls gathered around the top half of table? even simon the "CHINO POWER" may get a shot at it. the old-fart sounded like it was some kind of accomplishment by saying, "you just made 7 balls, you just made 7 balls." i was like...what??... for christ sake he must have seen world war junior based on his age.

my question is this, "what the ghan is the big deal making 7 balls in the same pocket when the rack is open with all the balls gathered around the top half of table?"

since this a question im eager to know so i'll skip the Signature and thanks in advance.
 
U.S. PATROITISM said:
sorry i cant answer your question cause i dont play one pocket but i do have a question about the game though.

the first time i played that game the old-fart quit on me cause i made 7 balls. come to think of it, what the ghan is the big deal making 7 balls in the same pocket when the rack is open with all the balls gathered around the top half of table? even simon the "CHINO POWER" may get a shot at it. the old-fart sounded like it was some kind of accomplishment by saying, "you just made 7 balls, you just made 7 balls." i was like...what??... for christ sake he must have seen world war junior based on his age.

my question is this, "what the ghan is the big deal making 7 balls in the same pocket when the rack is open with all the balls gathered around the top half of table?"

since this a question im eager to know so i'll skip the Signature and thanks in advance.
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Seven balls is a pretty good run in one pocket. I think a lot of it is how the balls were sitting when you ran the table. If it was an easy run it was an easy run. I made my first eight and out run a few weeks ago. The balls were sitting reasonably easy but I had to make a couple pretty decent shots to get out. Just my take on it. I know I was pleased when I made eight in one hole!
 
Like Troy stated, double hitting the cue ball and making the ball in your opponent's pocket does not make it come back out. You would, however, owe a ball for the foul. The only way to get it out is to: get it out(!?), scratch the cb into a pocket while you make it, or launch the cb off the table.
~DC
 
U.S. PATROITISM said:
my question is this, "what the ghan is the big deal making 7 balls in the same pocket when the rack is open with all the balls gathered around the top half of table?"
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Before the Ronnie Allen era of One Pocket began -- mid 60's -- it was mostly a make a couple and duck kind of game. Ronnie (and others) busted the game open with a much more aggressive style of play, which is the way many players play One pocket today. Sounds like you ran into somebody from the old school :)
 
I witnessed this cowardly act in one pocket two years ago. A road guy came through and was playing our best local one pocket player and betting 400 a game. Our local guy needed one ball to win and had one hanging in his pocket....and the very last ball on the table was just past the head string close to the long rail straight in to the local guy's pocket which also had the other ball hanging. The Road guy steps up and takes about 25 practice strokes and then slows down just a little bit in his practice strokes and lets his tip hit the Cue Ball and and Cue ball moves an inch, The local guy hollers "FOUL", a split second later the road player had already pulled back and rolled the Local guy's ball in the pocket making the Local player having 8 balls. The Road Player said "Ok, I fouled......and spotted the local guy's 8th ball and one of his own and left the Cue ball on the back rail. The game ended very abrubtly after that cowardly cheating move....and a couple of guys grabbed the Road Guy's custom cue and demanded that the Local guy get paid for the last game or he wasn't getting his cue back. He ended up paying the Local for the last game......In my opinion he got off cheap.

Anyway, By Grady's rulebook.....This is an Instant Loss of game and Match in tournament play.
 
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Before the Ronnie Allen era of One Pocket began -- mid 60's -- it was mostly a make a couple and duck kind of game. Ronnie (and others) busted the game open with a much more aggressive style of play, which is the way many players play One pocket today. Sounds like you ran into somebody from the old school :)
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true, he is an old-school...

i'm beginning to doubt the credibility of the old-schoolers.... make a couple and duck... sounds like bunch of sissies...

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oh yeah and btw, i forgot to thank you despite i'm the President now.

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one good thing though, with the advanced technology today at least they dont need to duck in front of the screen....^__^..... maybe thats why its now becoming a trend for those oldies to even carry their notebooks while on vacation as i just learned this a few days ago on the newspaper. really, its really a bogus idea to begin with. if larry really is typing on the beach i would suggest one of his boys, or grandboys, to admonish him to abandon that ghaning old ideas cause it looked really awkward. If larry reads this i suppose he shouldnt take it as an offense cause I, AM, DEE, MAN!!!... man....
 
just incase if you read this larry. i apologize not because i think what ive said was wrong, but because you know, chinese always having a tendency of respecting elders. its really part of our culture.

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for the stubborn ones however, we just walk away shaking our heads with compassions while they continue their bitching-session...
 
With that attitude about the game you should bring your bankroll and be ready to play. However, I suggest you put cab fare in a separate pocket, otherwise you'll be broke and walking.

Troy

 
Hehe well put. Most of the guys I play with, you play wide open, you had better have something in the other pocket (cab fare or groceries) because when you miss, you aint' gonna like the dent they put in your wallet. I just love playing guys that think they can't miss, and have no regard for where the cb is going.
Call me a sissy,baby, or sissyboy, but I personally like to have more money in my pocket that what I started with after the set is over. Making a few balls, laying one in front of your hole, and ducking (preferably freezing your oponent on the stack) is my idea of having a lot of fun.
 
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