I know in straight pool and rotation games You are not allowed to play a safe using the same rail 3 consecutive times
Does this Rule apply in One Pocket ?
Does this Rule apply in One Pocket ?
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One Pocket Rule Question
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Cowboy Dennis
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That hasn't been true for many years. It was replaced with the stalemate rule.
WPA General Rules:
1.12 Stalemate
If the referee observes that no progress is being made towards a conclusion, he will announce his decision, and each player will have three more turns at the table. Then, if the referee determines that there is still no progress, he will declare a stalemate. If both players agree, they may accept the stalemate without taking their three additional turns. The procedure for a stalemate is specified under the rules for each game.
WPA 14.1 Rules:
4.12 Stalemate
If a stalemate occurs (see 1.12 Stalemate), the players will lag again to determine who will shoot an opening break.
WPA 9-Ball Rules:
2.9 Stalemate
If a stalemate occurs the original breaker of the rack will break again. (See 1.12 Stalemate.)
Maybe I'm missing it, but the OP wasn't talking about the stalemate rule, and I can't see how the stalemate rule would take over the safety rule on the same cushion. To the best of my knowledge, the current stalemate rules replaced the three x2 consecutive FOULS rule, not the three consecutive safeties on the same rail rule.
It was a rule in 14.1, but I never recalled it being a rule in the rotation games, and certainly never heard it for one pocket. I have rule books to the 70's.
But, maybe different regions included it.
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In 14.1, it used to be that if an OB was within a ball's width of a cushion, it could be bumped into that cushion (with the CB not going to a cushion) only twice in a row by both players. The player who started that sequence would then have to send the OB to a different cushion, or the CB to any cushion, on his third shot into that OB.
That rule no longer exists (at least in WPA rules). Now, that sort of bumping-safety play can continue more than two times for each player. But if the referee determines that no progress is being made, he can invoke the stalemate rule.
thanks for giving the history of the rule in question
i did not know that
i dont play straight pool
I do not know any Tournament One Pocket players. We play house rules, as mortals will in this world. At Hard Times in Bellflower, they institute the Grady Mathews rule where if there are 5 or more balls in the kitchen up table, they spot the two closest on the spot for the expedience sake. Same thing applies here. It's meant to prevent Nitt-like behavior.
House rules always. If you don't know'em, find out before you start playing for cheddar.
Lesh
House rules always. If you don't know'em, find out before you start playing for cheddar.
Lesh
It seems a little funny that the "Grady Matthews" rule would be designed to eliminate
nit like behavior. Grady was the greatest at that type of play. Bump a ball, thin a ball,
lay on a ball and continue to do all those things until he got an opening, pocket a ball,
maybe two or whatever and go right back to that nit behavior until he could exploit
his opponent again. For my two cents worth, the object of one pocket is to pocket
8 balls in your pocket first and there are many styles to accomplish that. I think
people who really know and appreciate pool (players and railbirds) respect all styles
whether a game takes 15 minutes or 2 hours or more. Whether there is one ball or
15 behind the string line the cream of the crop is going to get the cash.
nit like behavior. Grady was the greatest at that type of play. Bump a ball, thin a ball,
lay on a ball and continue to do all those things until he got an opening, pocket a ball,
maybe two or whatever and go right back to that nit behavior until he could exploit
his opponent again. For my two cents worth, the object of one pocket is to pocket
8 balls in your pocket first and there are many styles to accomplish that. I think
people who really know and appreciate pool (players and railbirds) respect all styles
whether a game takes 15 minutes or 2 hours or more. Whether there is one ball or
15 behind the string line the cream of the crop is going to get the cash.
Interesting, the shot doesn't come up all the time ... but, I'm curious ... which player would be the "Nitt" as you say? The initial player who played the original safe, or the opponent who didn't have the balls to try something else and simply returns the original safe? Or would the honor of being the nitt go back to the original safety player by maintaining the position? Confusing.
And ... (just wondering) playing for money ... is it better to be a "nitt" as you call it ... or an idiot for selling out instead when the highest percentage safe in a given situation is simply to return the original safe?
Personally, I think that so long as you are playing withing a given set of rules without cheating you are merely taking advantage of the highest percentage shot.
Maybe the real nitts are the guys who make the rules, and not the guys who just play by them.
