One-Pocket Situation #2
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BRKNRUN said:
Hit this shot even a fraction too hard, and he is shooting the 8.
Dude! Your cue ball is FROZEN to the cushion!
Not to mention, that at this angle, you'd have to hit the 4 way too hard to have a realistic chance at holding the cue ball where you need to, and even if you did, the 4 ball is coming back to your opponent's side.
And last, but not least, yes.. The 7 banks...
Russ
Russ Chewning said:So did Ronnie Allen. But he didn't sell out.. Just need to be more accurate, is all.
Russ
Isn't that the point? No one on this board shoots like Ronnie Allen did. There are a lot of great one pocket players who don't either and wouldn't shoot the 2/1 combo-bank because they know when a shot is beyond their abilities and would just sell out. I am surprised that no one has at least discussed the bank on the 7, even if it is to say its a bad shot. I also think that Ronnie Allen would shoot the 7 ball bank because I always heard he never passed up a high percentage shot at his hole. I even think Efren would shoot it because he is such a good banker it probably looks like a hanger to him. I know that it leaves the 1 straight in, but I have seen a lot of players pass on that, even Efren, if there is enough distance; the penalty is just too high. If I ever get the time to go over all of my Accu-stat one pocket discs, I'll see if I can come up with some examples. That's a lot of pool to review though, so don't count on it.
I wonder, has anyone who has commented on this shot bothered to set this one up and actually try it? I know I will when I get out next so at least I'll know what is the best shot for ME to shoot in this situation.
jjr183 said:
The 7 isn't high percentage at all, though.. The only way to play position is to hit it with a stun stroke, which applies a lot of english to the bank, making it super tough.
Yes, I used to shoot this the 2-1 shot all the time. So yes, I know that it is not as hard as it looks. The point that those who advocate that shot are making is, if one doesn't hit the ball accurate enough to hit this well being 1 diamond away from the 2, then one won't be able to beat any good players anyway.
It's the right shot.. It's the best shot.. Those who can't execute it need to practice it, or.. they can just LOSE in this position..
Russ
jjr183 said:
I was really curious myself, so I set it up 6 times tonight. Here are my results:
1) Hit the 1 too thick, it missed the 8, but it ran straight into the 5 and hung it up in the jaws of my pocket, cb ended up in a safe spot above the side pocket, opp. in pretty good trap
2) Hit the 1 too thick again, it went two rails and made the 5 in my pocket, cb went toward center of table, may have left a shot on 8 had I not made the 5
3) Hit the 1 into the 8, moved both balls to my side, cb in safe spot uptable, no viable offensive opportunities for opp.
4) 2-ball missed the 1 entirely, complete sellout
5, 6) hit the one too thick both times, but not thick enough to get kissed, 5 ball went once again, cb safe each time.
Considering the potential payoff, I have to like my odds on this one.
Aaron
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Come on now, bro.. I took one look at your shot and ssaid it was what I would shoot too...
I can't help it that everyone else in the thread shoots right up in the air on this layout.....
Russ
Aaron_S said:
So hmmm..... Lemme get this straight... Ummm... This shot.. Where you:
Made a ball twice..
Hung a ball up once...
Moved two balls away from your opponents pocket once
Got a generic safe once...
And sold out once
out of six times.....
Was better than the guy who suggested just moving one ball over to your side of the table in a neutral position, and leaving your opponent STRAIGHT IN on the one ball?
I mean... I'm SHOCKED! I just can't tell you how shocked I am....
Glad we could help, Aaron...
Just a thought.. You might want to keep a list of people you would take One Pocket advice from, and those you wouldn't..... Some people have a mind for the game, and evidenced by some people in this thread and the other one.. some people just don't 
... Russ
Russ Chewning said:So hmmm..... Lemme get this straight... Ummm... This shot.. Where you:
Made a ball twice..
Hung a ball up once...
Moved two balls away from your opponents pocket once
Got a generic safe once...
And sold out once
out of six times.....
Was better than the guy who suggested just moving one ball over to your side of the table in a neutral position, and leaving your opponent STRAIGHT IN on the one ball?
I mean... I'm SHOCKED! I just can't tell you how shocked I am....
Glad we could help, Aaron...
Russ
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deadwhak said:
Nice!
Gotta love your genius level contribution of your very first post.
We should all be in awe and humbled by your greatness.
What did that take you, a solid 3 hours to come up with? Hope you didn't hurt yourself in the process, although i doubt any of us would be surprised if you did.
Let me guess, what your answer would be for the situation. You'd try and DO THE MASSE!
I've never played 1P before but this is what I'm gonna do. Just tell me guys if
I'm doing it wrong or I need to shut my piehole!
I'll bank the 2 towards the 7 applying top spin with the CB landing in between
the 1 and the right pocket, frozen or almost frozen. I didn't sell out anything,
and I left my opponent a tough table. Wadya say guys?
I'm doing it wrong or I need to shut my piehole!
I'll bank the 2 towards the 7 applying top spin with the CB landing in between
the 1 and the right pocket, frozen or almost frozen. I didn't sell out anything,
and I left my opponent a tough table. Wadya say guys?
ABOUT THE STRAIGHT IN 1 ball.
Now this is not to take away from the person who suggested this shot as it does have it's particular scenarios.
If you are playing someone of medium speed for instance, who is not an aggressive player and doesn't really like to take a shot unless it is free, this might be a good/effective shot.
I know many middle and low level players where i play that would be petrified to shoot the 1 for fear of missing , if not missing, having the 1 do the pocket dance, and shoot over to the other guys hole and sell the farm.
But on the other hand, when you get to a level where someone just flat out shoots and makes every open shot they have, if you leave them this thinking that they aren't going to shoot it, or that they must be crazy to shoot it, your going to end up talking to yourself when they spear it in time and time again, and then put you in a trap. The only difference being that now they have a ball that they didn't before.
I personally have played games of 1 pocket where my opponent has blasted in every open shot available to them, and watched as they ran 6's 7's and 8 and outs a high % of times after they connected on those "crackhead" shots.
So when you reach THAT level of play and with that mentality, leaving the 1 is basically NOT an option at that point. You have to do things that not only are aggressive, but defensive as well all within 1 shot, and to me, the leaving the shot on the 1 is basically reserved for people that would pass out at the thought of having to make it for cash. OR, maybe some oldhead player who is all about "squeezing" who just wants to try and wear you down with moves till you sell out something easy, but those guys are a dying breed.
Leaving the 1 ball all depends on who your playing.
Now this is not to take away from the person who suggested this shot as it does have it's particular scenarios.
If you are playing someone of medium speed for instance, who is not an aggressive player and doesn't really like to take a shot unless it is free, this might be a good/effective shot.
I know many middle and low level players where i play that would be petrified to shoot the 1 for fear of missing , if not missing, having the 1 do the pocket dance, and shoot over to the other guys hole and sell the farm.
But on the other hand, when you get to a level where someone just flat out shoots and makes every open shot they have, if you leave them this thinking that they aren't going to shoot it, or that they must be crazy to shoot it, your going to end up talking to yourself when they spear it in time and time again, and then put you in a trap. The only difference being that now they have a ball that they didn't before.
I personally have played games of 1 pocket where my opponent has blasted in every open shot available to them, and watched as they ran 6's 7's and 8 and outs a high % of times after they connected on those "crackhead" shots.
So when you reach THAT level of play and with that mentality, leaving the 1 is basically NOT an option at that point. You have to do things that not only are aggressive, but defensive as well all within 1 shot, and to me, the leaving the shot on the 1 is basically reserved for people that would pass out at the thought of having to make it for cash. OR, maybe some oldhead player who is all about "squeezing" who just wants to try and wear you down with moves till you sell out something easy, but those guys are a dying breed.
Leaving the 1 ball all depends on who your playing.
apologies
Yep, everyone else was right and I rightfully have a lot of egg on my face right now.
As soon as I set this shot up on the table, I knew that the clearance shot was the correct shot. I shot both versions several times anyways and the basic results are that i failed to bank and/or get straight in position with the 7 bank and always cleared the opponents pocket with the other. When I looked at this shot on the board, it just looked like the kiss on the 1 was a given, but I had problems getting it to happen on purpose.
Perhaps I need to get special glasses as I seem to have WEI table dyslexia. Apologies for being such a stubborn @$$.
Yep, everyone else was right and I rightfully have a lot of egg on my face right now.
As soon as I set this shot up on the table, I knew that the clearance shot was the correct shot. I shot both versions several times anyways and the basic results are that i failed to bank and/or get straight in position with the 7 bank and always cleared the opponents pocket with the other. When I looked at this shot on the board, it just looked like the kiss on the 1 was a given, but I had problems getting it to happen on purpose.Perhaps I need to get special glasses as I seem to have WEI table dyslexia. Apologies for being such a stubborn @$$.
jjr183 said:Yep, everyone else was right and I rightfully have a lot of egg on my face right now.
Perhaps I need to get special glasses as I seem to have WEI table dyslexia. Apologies for being such a stubborn @$$.
No big deal.
In reality, to actually kiss the ball, you have to hit the underside of it, as the ball has to hit it and then get in the way of it again as it's crossing it for the true double kiss to happen so that the ball just stays there and sells out.
From the given position, if you hit the 1 ball anywhere from slightly higher then perpendicular to the rail, and above it, it might double kiss, but it is still going to clear both balls, and most likely still bank across table, maybe just not exactly where you were trying to make it go.
WEI table dyslexia is a common phenomenon but you shouldn't worry about it.
Unless your looking at it live, it's all just theory.