One-Pocket Situation
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Offensively, banking the one back - If you think you can draw whitey into the stack without unsettling it much, but, depending on your leave luck, he may still be able to blast everything away from your hole.
Else, I’d try to give him the eight...
Else, I’d try to give him the eight...
Aaron_S said:
You have to pocket the 8-ball. I'd probably do it with the 15 going rail-first so that the 15 leaves the area. If I could get away with it, I'd likely follow up so that the cue-ball is left infront of his pocket.
Give him the 8.
Thin the cue ball off the 11.
Thin the cue ball off the 11.
BazookaJoe said:
Yes, I like that one, too.
BazookaJoe said:
Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't really play one-hole and and I'm asking questions so I can learn more about the game.
If I give him the eight as you describe, won't his response be to play a combination bank sending the fifteen towards his hole, moving the 10 away from the pocket, and leaving me by my hole? It seems that I'm giving him the ball without getting anything in return. If I bank the one ball towards my hole and freeze him to the rack he can blast away, but with a huge penalty if he misses. Also, I'm thinking that if I can freeze him good enough, he'll be blocked from banking my balls away from my hole!
VIProfessor said:
If I were shooting the shot. I'd play the thin so as to go bottom rail into the 8 and enough speed to have the 14 block any bank.
VIProfessor said:
Don't be worried about a bank-combination. If anything, you want him to take that shot. He misses and miss he will, he's going to sell-out. What you don't want, more than anything, is for him to have a hanger to work with. In general, this is going to be a very difficult rack to tilt in your favor and, unfortuntely, a very easy rack to sell-out on. Your best bet is to make sure he can't take control. Keep balls away from his pocket and start to move the rack up-table.
I don't really play the game either, but I would like to learn some as well.
You ask good questions VIP. I think the idea by giving him the 8 is there is little chance of getting it out, so you can't afford to leave it for him to use.
I like the idea of banking the one, but if you are really trying to make the one with the amount of angle, I think the odds of leaving the ball frozen against a ball in the pile is not very good. I think the most likely result of this would be finding the 10 and 15 quickly relocated if you don't sell out a couple of made balls for him.
Regarding making the 8 off of the 11, I think the shot is best if you don't thin the 11 too much so you hit rail first, make the 8, and the cue ball out between the 14 and the rail. I think he has a difficult play from there without creating easy opportunities to move balls to your advantage.
If I were going to try and and leave something frozen to create a quick advantage, I would consider barely tapping the 10, cue ball settles on the 15, the 10 rebounds off the rail and the cueball is trapped between the two, sometimes with a shot like that both balls are almost frozen. Clearly that shot would take a soft touch
Again, I don't play the game, so I welcome the knowledgable to correct any of my thinking.
Kelly
You ask good questions VIP. I think the idea by giving him the 8 is there is little chance of getting it out, so you can't afford to leave it for him to use.
I like the idea of banking the one, but if you are really trying to make the one with the amount of angle, I think the odds of leaving the ball frozen against a ball in the pile is not very good. I think the most likely result of this would be finding the 10 and 15 quickly relocated if you don't sell out a couple of made balls for him.
Regarding making the 8 off of the 11, I think the shot is best if you don't thin the 11 too much so you hit rail first, make the 8, and the cue ball out between the 14 and the rail. I think he has a difficult play from there without creating easy opportunities to move balls to your advantage.
If I were going to try and and leave something frozen to create a quick advantage, I would consider barely tapping the 10, cue ball settles on the 15, the 10 rebounds off the rail and the cueball is trapped between the two, sometimes with a shot like that both balls are almost frozen. Clearly that shot would take a soft touch
Again, I don't play the game, so I welcome the knowledgable to correct any of my thinking.
Kelly
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uwate said:
From the way it looks here, youd have to go high side of the 4 to get the 14 to bank at the 10.
I'm not sure how you'd get the cue ball down to the 8. If you play the 4 on the end rail side, the 14 goes two rails and high.
Of course, you could possibly play 4-14 to the 8 and tuck the cb behind the 13. You'd need to be at the table to see how that one sits.
Personally, I'd leave the 4-14. They don't go in his hole, and can be used as blockers.
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Sometimes you don't have a choice but to give them a clearing bank--you're just happy to make his duck. Going into the stack off the 1-ball isn't too bad, if you can go right in between the 7 and 12. Anything else might be a disaster.VIProfessor said:
Other risks are that you could sell out a counter-bank on the 1 (the 8 makes the pocket huge) that could let the person get behind the 10 and 15. Even if you don't do that, your opponent will at worst be able to put your roughly back into the same spot (behind the 10 and 15, by kicking into the 10 if nothing else).
Some other options, involving varying degrees of sanity:
* 3-rail kick into the 8-ball looks to not be too bad.
* For fun, or if you're just really aggressive, bank the 1-ball three rails and bring the cue around with some left english three rails into the 8-ball, and then run out.
* It's hard to tell from the diagram, but the 4-14 combo bank (underneath the 15 and into the 10) might be in line. You just might be able to play that shot and use follow to make the 8-ball.
* Take an intentional scratch and put the CB on the head rail, keeping the one in between the cue and 10 and 15. About half way between the pocket and the top diamond should make it tough for your opponent to get more than one ball.
Overall, I'd probably end up using the 15 to knock the 8 in, but I wouldn't like it.
Cory
Don't Fall for the Trap
But, if you just roll the 8 in (even off the 11) then you fall for the trap - which basically results in you losing at least the 15 [and possibly the 10] in addition to giving away the 8 ball - and possibly losing the game because of this one shot. In short, if you roll the 8 in you will lose your army, your position, and maybe the game.
Specifically, if you shoot soft and the cue ball ends up basically where the 8 is, one of two things will happen - both really bad for you:
To avoid the trap while making the 8 and protecting your soldiers - you have to make the 8 off the 11, but hit the 11 a tad bit fuller than you might think (with top left english) so that you make the 8 off the foot rail. The cue ball should then roll between the first and second diamonds - which is a pretty big area. If the 4/14 carom is on (for your opponent) you have to lay close to the rail, but if it's not - you can pretty much lay in the square. Alternately, you could end up behind the 4/14. which is good, but not as powerful as it allows a thin shot off the 14 ending up behind the stack by the 1, or a simple return kick under the 10.
Just remember that the 3 and 11 will separate which is the unknown factor here - if the 11 rolls funny, you might leave a clearance shot, or a bank on the 11.
Don't you just love one pocket!
-td
Playing the 8 off the 11 is a very subtle trap and results in a situation that can really bite you if you don't think all the way through it. Even so, making the 8 is a good candidate for a nice defensive reply.ONE HOLE PLAYERS said:
But, if you just roll the 8 in (even off the 11) then you fall for the trap - which basically results in you losing at least the 15 [and possibly the 10] in addition to giving away the 8 ball - and possibly losing the game because of this one shot. In short, if you roll the 8 in you will lose your army, your position, and maybe the game.
Specifically, if you shoot soft and the cue ball ends up basically where the 8 is, one of two things will happen - both really bad for you:
(1) the 15 will be banked into bottom of the stack (and possibly making the 4-14 combo off the 11 - or off the 12 ball carom), and the cue ball will go off the bottom rail and end up safe -> behind the stack close to the 1.
(2) the 15 will be banked one rail into the 4/14 with a scoring carom or combo - and the cue ball ending up close to the 1 ball and behind the stack. (Also, keep in mind that either way, the 4/14 will be separated...)
To avoid the trap while making the 8 and protecting your soldiers - you have to make the 8 off the 11, but hit the 11 a tad bit fuller than you might think (with top left english) so that you make the 8 off the foot rail. The cue ball should then roll between the first and second diamonds - which is a pretty big area. If the 4/14 carom is on (for your opponent) you have to lay close to the rail, but if it's not - you can pretty much lay in the square. Alternately, you could end up behind the 4/14. which is good, but not as powerful as it allows a thin shot off the 14 ending up behind the stack by the 1, or a simple return kick under the 10.
Just remember that the 3 and 11 will separate which is the unknown factor here - if the 11 rolls funny, you might leave a clearance shot, or a bank on the 11.
Don't you just love one pocket!
-td
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First of all, I appreciate you guys still enjoying WeiTable. I encourage you to take a look of the same layout on CueTable
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AVRL4BCpI3...cAC4jJTu4jcYl4kVtm3kOrC3kULX3kQKFzb3qdvxA&ZZ@
Anyway, here is my take on this shot:
For you 1, 9, 10 all go, 15 can go after 10, 7-12 is a possiblity later
For your opponent, 6 and 8, maybe 14 afterwards, not much, however the 8 is a problem now
The table favors you.
Banking the 1 can be a very makable shot, but will not bring you joy afterwards. You will have to deal with the 8 from a tougher spot or be forced to make an intensional foul. If the 1 hangs by the pocket or move the 10 somehow, you give him a chance to lock you up.
I agree with what a lot of people saying here, thin the 11 and give him the 8. I would like to hit it a little harder so my opponent can't see the 10 and 15. But not too had to let him escape from the 9 or the 1.
3 rail kick is also very makable, but it's very likely to leave 10 and 15 out . In the worse case, your opponent possibly can bank 15 and carom it off the 4 or 14 (see page 2)
http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AVRL4BCpI3...cAC4jJTu4jcYl4kVtm3kOrC3kULX3kQKFzb3qdvxA&ZZ@
Anyway, here is my take on this shot:
For you 1, 9, 10 all go, 15 can go after 10, 7-12 is a possiblity later
For your opponent, 6 and 8, maybe 14 afterwards, not much, however the 8 is a problem now
The table favors you.
Banking the 1 can be a very makable shot, but will not bring you joy afterwards. You will have to deal with the 8 from a tougher spot or be forced to make an intensional foul. If the 1 hangs by the pocket or move the 10 somehow, you give him a chance to lock you up.
I agree with what a lot of people saying here, thin the 11 and give him the 8. I would like to hit it a little harder so my opponent can't see the 10 and 15. But not too had to let him escape from the 9 or the 1.
3 rail kick is also very makable, but it's very likely to leave 10 and 15 out . In the worse case, your opponent possibly can bank 15 and carom it off the 4 or 14 (see page 2)
cuetable said:
Thanks for the new diagram, Cuetable. The shot you diagrammed seems to be the path of least resistance, where nothing really has to be forced.
A lot of responses also favored banking the one. If that shot is chosen, there is no way that you should shoot that shot to play safe and snuggle up in the stack. Play shape on the 9 and try to run some balls.