One thing that pisses me off

9ball_in_MN

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:mad: I was subing for a buddy for league on friday. Its just a small 14 team 8 ball mixed league for c and b players. but anyway my point is I dont think I is very cool to have A or better players saying they are b or c players just so they can show off. And on top of all that my team had to give them 30 balls handicap so we really had no chance the guy ran 15 racks in a row. pretty impresive for a b-c player wouldnt you say.
 
9ball_in_MN said:
:mad: I was subing for a buddy for league on friday. Its just a small 14 team 8 ball mixed league for c and b players. but anyway my point is I dont think I is very cool to have A or better players saying they are b or c players just so they can show off. And on top of all that my team had to give them 30 balls handicap so we really had no chance the guy ran 15 racks in a row. pretty impresive for a b-c player wouldnt you say.

How many games do you guys play a night? Does the league season consist of one night? 15 racks is pretty good, but what b-c player doesn't do it that often. :confused:
 
quite impressive

YES, That was indeed quite impressive. It can also be very upsetting when you
run into folks that play much better than they are "rated". It's all part of the game(s)
that are played around the game on the table.
 
It makes it hard to keep the new players from quiting I mean who really want to have there ass handed to them all the time
 
9ball_in_MN said:
:mad: I was subing for a buddy for league on friday. Its just a small 14 team 8 ball mixed league for c and b players. but anyway my point is I dont think I is very cool to have A or better players saying they are b or c players just so they can show off. And on top of all that my team had to give them 30 balls handicap so we really had no chance the guy ran 15 racks in a row. pretty impresive for a b-c player wouldnt you say.

To be fair, you should have known what you were in for when Shane van Boening showed up for the other team. Didn't you recognize him?

-Andrew
 
I think

that 15 racks is embellished somewhat, but evidently, he did shoot above his rating. A players don't run 15 racks.

The point I would like to make though is upcoming players are not up adjusted in handicaps or skill levels OFTEN ENOUGH. I think we would agree that a C or D player will advance faster than say an A player to a A+ level.
As you rise in level, you tend to taper off at some point, but someone lower that is playing regular or getting instruction will improve at a faster rate.

Seems like a lot of rooms, in my experience, do not adjust people up when they should. Like a 4 that becomes a 5 is a big difference in the game or a 6 becoming a 7, and some rooms leave girls as a 3 forever no matter what skill level they truly are.

The other point is rooms having TD's that do not have the capability to judge a new person's skill level to a handicap tournament they are having.
 
Andrew Manning said:
To be fair, you should have known what you were in for when Shane van Boening showed up for the other team. Didn't you recognize him?

-Andrew

Funny. He showed up as a sub a couple of times in my 8-ball league over the 2005-6 season. 15 games. 14 wins. 7 EROs. five 10 zips. :rolleyes:

Here's the stats.
 
rossaroni said:
How many games do you guys play a night? Does the league season consist of one night? 15 racks is pretty good, but what b-c player doesn't do it that often. :confused:

Right. Something sounds a bit peculiar about this story.
 
Welcome to pool 101, my friend. This ranking stuff ... wow. It's a subject all in it's own. How would you like to be a "A" player and have to give up six games to seven to a "D" player. Frustrating. Give these guys some credit. They have hours and days and months and years of working hard and taking knocks to get to that level. Then they have to give up ridiculous spots and listen to a guy complain when the "A" player runs a couple of racks. Come on. Put in your hours, days, and years and slap a six pack back on him. Until then, work hard and learn to like it. If winning wasn't so important to you, you wouldn't care. So, now that you know it's important, put your time in and start knocking these guys off. There will always be sandbagging and laying down in pool. The deception is part of the culture. If every gambling match were exactly fair, noone would ever win. As far as the league stuff goes, those rules should be enforced by a coordinator. But... who's to judge?
 
crawfish said:
Welcome to pool 101, my friend. This ranking stuff ... wow. It's a subject all in it's own. How would you like to be a "A" player and have to give up six games to seven to a "D" player. Frustrating...

Works both ways. How would you like to be a "D" player who works for a living, has a full family, mortgage, home, etc. just to show up to play, but have to sit and watch an "A" player run rack after rack?

No, it's not straight up even play, but it's competition 101, my friend, and there is a reason why hadicap tourments take place, dispite the sandbaggers, liars, cheaters, incorrect ratings, all all that junk;

When a few or an individual continues to win week in week out, people stop showing up for weekly tournaments. We've all seen top flight ace #1 World beaters who were simply not invited to play when it comes to some of these types of tournaments. There is a reason why.
 
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Gregg said:
Works both ways. How would you like to be a "D" player who works for a living, has a full family, mortgage, home, etc. just to show up to play, but have to sit and watch an "A" player run rack after rack?

No, it's not straight up even play, but it's competition 101, my friend, and there is a reason why hadicap tourments take place, dispite the sandbaggers, liars, cheaters, incorrect ratings, all all that junk;

When a few or an individual continues to win week in week out, people stop showing up for weekly tournaments. We've all seen top flight ace #1 World beaters who were simply not invited to play when it comes to some of these types of tournaments. There is a reason why.
There are "A" players that have mortgages, child support, two lovely daughters, work sixty hour weeks and still get out twice a week. I didn't say it was even play, that has to be honed in on by the league committee. But, my point is... after all of the time I've put into this game, I can't stand to hear someone complain that an "A" player only gave them one shot in a race to five. That is why he's an "A" player. Don't let him play, then. But don't let him play and then get mad when he does what he's supposed to do. I'd much rather play a good player even than have to give up four games and the eight to a guy who can run out. These rankings MAY promote pool, but they sure don't work in favor of the guy who has put his time in at the table. I DO agree that it isn't fair, nor fun to be "outmanned" and not know it. Once, the year that Rodney Morris won the US Open, he stopped in Raleigh and played some of the local tournaments. I was spotting him a game in a race to seven. He laid it down so well, I was woofing at him to play even after the tournament. Bottom line, though, a league can easily be regulated after seeing the caliber of player. Occasionally, just once in a while, someone can sneak through the crack. When handicaps are involved... there are never equal games. You can try, though. What about the "B" player who has the night of his life and all the balls spread perfectly and the opponent "A" player gets all the sh#$ rolls. Will the "A" player be mad. Probably. Will he complain about the "B" player. Or should he consider that he's the better player and maybe the other guy is improving. How many times do you hear the top players complain about the rankings? It's usually the guy who plays two hours a week and expects to win. If he expects to win and takes it so serious, then let him play 41, 000 hours and then he can complain. Or maybe, just play his own caliber and exclude anyone better so he has an equal chance. But, as we all know, you don't get any better playing people worse than you. You have to raise the level of competition to reach higher levels. Hey, if it's just for fun, don't take it so serious. If it's not "just for fun" then work at it, love it, live it.
 
Crawfish,

I got ya. Everybody wants a fair game, and to have fun.

And, yes, I agree, nobody in the World should complain about losing to a better skill shooter, handicap or not.

I lost to Antonio Gabica at a Monday night nine ball tournament at the Green Room in South Jersey, receiving a massive amount of weight, and lost big.

And I loved every minute of it. But that's just me.

If it happened week in week out, it might get old, quick.
 
crawfish said:
There are "A" players that have mortgages, child support, two lovely daughters, work sixty hour weeks and still get out twice a week. I didn't say it was even play, that has to be honed in on by the league committee. But, my point is... after all of the time I've put into this game, I can't stand to hear someone complain that an "A" player only gave them one shot in a race to five. That is why he's an "A" player. Don't let him play, then. But don't let him play and then get mad when he does what he's supposed to do. I'd much rather play a good player even than have to give up four games and the eight to a guy who can run out. These rankings MAY promote pool, but they sure don't work in favor of the guy who has put his time in at the table. I DO agree that it isn't fair, nor fun to be "outmanned" and not know it. Once, the year that Rodney Morris won the US Open, he stopped in Raleigh and played some of the local tournaments. I was spotting him a game in a race to seven. He laid it down so well, I was woofing at him to play even after the tournament. Bottom line, though, a league can easily be regulated after seeing the caliber of player. Occasionally, just once in a while, someone can sneak through the crack. When handicaps are involved... there are never equal games. You can try, though. What about the "B" player who has the night of his life and all the balls spread perfectly and the opponent "A" player gets all the sh#$ rolls. Will the "A" player be mad. Probably. Will he complain about the "B" player. Or should he consider that he's the better player and maybe the other guy is improving. How many times do you hear the top players complain about the rankings? It's usually the guy who plays two hours a week and expects to win. If he expects to win and takes it so serious, then let him play 41, 000 hours and then he can complain. Or maybe, just play his own caliber and exclude anyone better so he has an equal chance. But, as we all know, you don't get any better playing people worse than you. You have to raise the level of competition to reach higher levels. Hey, if it's just for fun, don't take it so serious. If it's not "just for fun" then work at it, love it, live it.

Well said. Great post.
 
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