Opening break scratch question

[3andstop]

Here's a question that came up, and I really am not sure of the answer.

On the opening break you fail to drive two object balls to the rail. We know that this is a two point foul, the incoming player has the option to take the table as it lies, or demand a re-break. And ... this foul does not count toward the 3 foul rule.

Now add to this scenario, that the cue ball scratches as well.

Is the offending player immune to the single point foul that would put him on 1 foul and count toward 3 fouls, or does his opponent have an option to charge him with a one point foul for the scratch rather than taking the two points for the OBs failing to hit the rails?

 

[Marop]

Here's a question that came up, and I really am not sure of the answer.

On the opening break you fail to drive two object balls to the rail. We know that this is a two point foul, the incoming player has the option to take the table as it lies, or demand a re-break. And ... this foul does not count toward the 3 foul rule.

Now add to this scenario, that the cue ball scratches as well.

Is the offending player immune to the single point foul that would put him on 1 foul and count toward 3 fouls, or does his opponent have an option to charge him with a one point foul for the scratch rather than taking the two points for the OBs failing to hit the rails?

I believe he is charged with the two point opening break foul and he is also considered on one foul towards the three foul rule due to the pocket scratch.

Bob Jewett where are you???

 

[selftaut]

If both a breaking foul (not sending 2 object balls and the cueball to rails) plus a standard foul (scratch) occur on opening break, it is a breaking foul (-2). The opponent does not have the choice of taking the breaking foul or the standard foul. So the player would not be on one foul toward the 3 foul rule. The opponent can choose to take the table and shoot from the kitchen with BIH or rerack and have the player break again.