Opinions on intended run out...

PaulieB

PaulieB

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Ok, I'm not a great player by any means, but I can't help thinking when watching this video that Thorsten wasn't playing "catch up" at a certain point.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/video.php?do=viewdetails&videoid=70

What do you guys think? Start at like the 5 minute mark on the video ... after he had the great break out on the 7 ball cluster. I see 6 side, 2 corner, 7 side, then move up table ... instead he goes 7-3 combo, then another combo ... and just seems to be scrambling for shots that just happen to show up. Maybe I just don't have his level of vision, but does anyone see what I am talking about? Why not go side pocket with the 6, down corner with the 2, side with the 7, then move up table to finish everything off? Jumping into those combos early seemed crazy to me, yet he pulled it off nicely.
 
Yeah Paulie I just watched it..I'm thinking just like you 6-2 then on for and easy out,I couldn't begin to tell ya what's going on in his mind but like I've always been told,there's always more than one way to do something,guess he did what made him feel comfortable.
 
I liked what he did by shooting the 7 into the combo...The 7 was only going to have the side pocket available if he passed on shooting it at that time.

IF....he left it to be played later in the rack and he happened to land just a bit off angle on the 7 he may have had to navigate traffic (of all of the stripes at the other end of the table...

My hunch is that he wanted to avoid that possiblility and remove the 7 right away....In reality it was not even really a combo....the actual combo ball was a hanger.
 
I think he was bothered by the 7. Seemed like a lone soldier he'd have to deal with, so he did so right away after the nice breakout rather than worry about getting position on it later.
 
Shooting the 7 into the hanger made sense. I do think he changed his plan mid way though. It looked to me like he was going to shoot the 6, 2, 7, 1 with the 4 as his key ball but then he over ran the 2 and decided it would be a better key ball than the 4 and would eliminate the possibility of shooting the 8 in the side off the stop shot from the 4. Just my opinion.
 
PaulieB said:
Ok, I'm not a great player by any means, but I can't help thinking when watching this video that Thorsten wasn't playing "catch up" at a certain point.

http://forums.azbilliards.com/video.php?do=viewdetails&videoid=70

What do you guys think? Start at like the 5 minute mark on the video ... after he had the great break out on the 7 ball cluster. I see 6 side, 2 corner, 7 side, then move up table ... instead he goes 7-3 combo, then another combo ... and just seems to be scrambling for shots that just happen to show up. Maybe I just don't have his level of vision, but does anyone see what I am talking about? Why not go side pocket with the 6, down corner with the 2, side with the 7, then move up table to finish everything off? Jumping into those combos early seemed crazy to me, yet he pulled it off nicely.
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If you check the table layout before he started running after that sweet cluster break up, the 7 had some angle to it. If he made the 6 then 2 he would of had a cut into side and no one wants to plan a stroke shot into the side pocket.

He got rid of that problem by playing a combo, next he left that 2 ball where it was because that was his key ball for the 8. It took some time thinking about how to run the rest of the balls so that with the last one he could place himself for the key ball.

Personally i like that combo, makes the run easier, but i wouldn't have used the 2 as a key ball. I would have taken that ball while i made the 6 in side after the combo and used the other combo to get up table. I would have made sure to leave an angle on the 4 so i could get to 8, but Thorsten is a top str8 pool player so maybe he was more comfortable with the 2 as a key ball being that the 8 looked like a good break ball in that situation. Or there might be less chance for error going his route? All i know is he made a great out because the only difficult shot was the break up on 7.
 
In games where the numbers on the balls don't dictate what order to shoot in, thinking backwards is the best way to go. I'm sure he was considering which ball to save for the key ball to the 8 as well as the key ball to the key ball. I'll bet the 2 was part of that thought.

Also, whenever you shoot a combo, there is no guarantee of exactly where that combo ball will fall, so it's nice to do it early and have your options open in the form of other shots.

My video link cut off short and I didn't get to see him finish (dunno why) but if there is a guy who can map out a rack of balls, Thorsten is that guy. :)
 
When you play 8 ball, you kinda have to run the rack backwards.... Look at where the 8 is sitting. He did not change his plan mid-way through.. He was saving the 2 for his setup ball on the 8. He needed to play the combo on the 7 ball, because otherwise the 2 ball would have been the only ball he could have used to easily get on the 7 when it was by the side.
 
3andstop said:
In games where the numbers on the balls don't dictate what order to shoot in, thinking backwards is the best way to go. I'm sure he was considering which ball to save for the key ball to the 8 as well as the key ball to the key ball. I'll bet the 2 was part of that thought.

Also, whenever you shoot a combo, there is no guarantee of exactly where that combo ball will fall, so it's nice to do it early and have your options open in the form of other shots.

My video link cut off short and I didn't get to see him finish (dunno why) but if there is a guy who can map out a rack of balls, Thorsten is that guy. :)
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Guess I should have read his post first... Sorry
 
I probably would've avoided combos altogether and played 6-3-1-2-7-4, giving me 3 stop-shots at the end of my pattern. That is, assuming that the 8 looked as good into the side in real life as it does in the video.

Aaron
 
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