I have always seen the orange crush played that way also, i.e. 5 out and breaks. PHX/PNW. Weird.
I have trouble believing life can be this complicated.....
...words should mean something!
I've been in a lot of action in my life and I have given the orange crush
AND I've given the break and the 5-6-7-8, for fairly serious money.
I think it's obvious that these are TWO DIFFERENT GAMES.
If you ask for the 5, that's what you get.
If you want the 6-7-8 with it.....THEN ASK FOR THEM.
I was running a room in the 80's and was holding $4,000 stakes.
I'm watching two guys go to the table and sounding like they're agreeing
on a game....one player is playing RACE to 5...the other player is playing
5 AHEAD.
I turned the table lights off...they were yelling "What are you doing?"
I finally got them to understand that they had two different ideas of
how they were playing......they couldn't agree so decided not to play.
I gave them their 2,000 apiece back and avoided a fight.