OTLB, question for you.

realkingcobra

realkingcobra

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Lets say for time sake here, you set up a Diamond Professional 9ft 3 piece slate table, got it all level and perfect and everything. Only one problem, one of the seams is kind of off, meaning they're not totaly flat to each other. The center of the slates are perfect, the edges of the slates are perfect, but between the outside edge and the center of the slate, about 14" in from the outside edge of the slate...the end slate is a little higher than the center slate causing a ledge right there. Not to bad, but bad enough that if you try to slide your level across it, it's real noticeable. How would you fix this problem?

After you answer this question, you can ask me one if you'd like, as long as it makes since, and it's not a question of what is the "best made" or something...LOL

Glen

PS. I asked this same question of all the mechanics here on this forum at one time, so you're not alone.

All you who know this answer, please wait to answer...LOL
 
realkingcobra said:
Lets say for time sake here, you set up a Diamond Professional 9ft 3 piece slate table, got it all level and perfect and everything. Only one problem, one of the seams is kind of off, meaning they're not totaly flat to each other. The center of the slates are perfect, the edges of the slates are perfect, but between the outside edge and the center of the slate, about 14" in from the outside edge of the slate...the end slate is a little higher than the center slate causing a ledge right there. Not to bad, but bad enough that if you try to slide your level across it, it's real noticeable. How would you fix this problem?

After you answer this question, you can ask me one if you'd like, as long as it makes since, and it's not a question of what is the "best made" or something...LOL

Glen



PS. I asked this same question of all the mechanics here on this forum at one time, so you're not alone.

All you who know this answer, please wait to answer...LOL
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I Know!! I Know!! You take the biggest beltsander with the roughest grit and have at it. What do I win?:rotflmao1:
 
PoolTable911 said:
I Know!! I Know!! You take the biggest beltsander with the roughest grit and have at it. What do I win?:rotflmao1:
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You win a week spent with movie star Rock Hudson:yikes::rotflmao1:
 
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That's fine if Rock Hudson is one of your Alias.
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No, Rock Hudson is dead, from AIDS no less, which is where you'd be if I caught you doing that to a slate....lmfao:p

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
No, Rock Hudson is dead, from AIDS no less, which is where you'd be if I caught you doing that to a slate....lmfao:p

Glen
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Lol....I knew who Rock Hudson was..and you know I was kidding
 
well if it was off just that little bit I might take my scraper and take the little edge off using the convex side of it, 2 passes I would say

Ok I answerd it, maybe not right but I answered it.

Now what is the difference in tensile strength between 860 and Basalt, you know at how many pounds would each have to be pulled on before they failed? I always wondered that.
 
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OTLB said:
well if it was off just that little bit I might take my scraper and take the little edge off using the convex side of it, 2 passes I would say

Ok I answerd it, maybe not right but I answered it.

Now what is the difference in tensile strength between 860 and Basalt, you know at how many pounds would each have to be pulled on before they failed? I always wondered that.
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By doing so, you would in fact be moving the high area of the slate further back from the seam, and not correcting it. When you mount the slates with the slate screws at the outer edges of the seams, and feel for the slates to be flush on the surface....you don't scrap off the high slate to flush it with the lower slate...do you? If you wouldn't do this to the outer edges or center of the slates, why would you do it to the area that has no support for your method of shimming the slates?

There IS an answer to my question, try again;)

Now, to answer your question:

Beyond the point of human strength, so there's no point in knowing the answer to that.

No living human can with arm strength alone break a 3/16" wire cable by pulling on it with human strength, so the breaking point of the cable becomes beside the point....doesen't it?

How tight a cloth is installed on a slate will vary by each installers arm strength, but should an installer be able to stretch Simonis 860 to it's peak from side to side, all installers would peak out the stretch at the same point, and that point is when there is no more stretch left to pull, and the cloth has simply stopped stretching, and has stood it's ground so to speak....and become unmovable from that point on...by human strength alone.
 
Well I am confused this is for sure. I will be honest and say that I have never, thats right never even put a Diamond together from the ground up and you are certainly far more experienced with that table then I would ever be. Really don't know how high the ridge is but.

If one side is too high than I guess your saying the other side is too low. If the frame looks like the one in your picture on installing a table etc I would slap on a couple of deck hangers between the beams across and place a mechanical shim to raise the lower side. If the side that is high is too high, I could put a beam there the same way and tap the slate and screw it down. From what your saying if they are not equal one of the sides must be wrong. I don't know if this is a common problem on Diamonds, again I have never set one up. I do think that this problem is a result of slate being shipped flat though.


You guys win, I just can't take it. you win. My last post ever which will make you all happy I am sure, I never claimed to know as much as any body else, never said I was better than anyone else because I am not. Never said I was the best, started off with my first post and BAM. Thought I had some things to share but its clear I don't. Everything I have said was wrong, at the very least you guys had fun tacking me into the side pocket.

I am sorry if I offended anyone really, I never meant to.

I do have alot to do, I really don't understand all this though. I guess I just must of dreamed up everything I said because this is like a nightmare to me.

Good Luck to everyone and I hope you all success. Cheers
 
OTLB. Nobody wants you to go away! You came on here and on your first post tried to tell a bunch of guys with a combined experience of a thousand years how to level a table with a ball bearing.What did you expect? This forum is for people, who have questions regarding
a problem.Feel free to jump in when you see a question you may have a answer to. Dont post just to post. You sound like you have some knowledge to share, dont dont share it all at once!!
 
Maybe no one else has realized this but i have, wrong post but I feel this is the best place to put this. Who is the only other person to proclaim that they use the exact same contact adhesive glue method as Glen? That would be MECHANIC101, not to long after not seeing MECHANIC101 on here anymore we see someone else on here proclaiming to use the exact same glue method. Seems Strange.
 
OTLB said:
I am sorry if I offended anyone really, I never meant to.

I do have alot to do, I really don't understand all this though. I guess I just must of dreamed up everything I said because this is like a nightmare to me.

Good Luck to everyone and I hope you all success. Cheers
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Now that I have stumped you, and put you in a situation you can't get out of, let me explain something to you.

1) None of us that post here are anonymous, meaning we all know who we are by name, and where we work out of. You on the other hand, choose to hide who you are and what area you work in.

2) You provide information that though cute, has no use in the real working mechanics tool bag so to speak, as in nice idea in theory, but has no relevance to practical usage in the work place.

3) Your "Best level" concept is kind of like hunting with a 12gage shotgun for pigeons, if you shot one with it, there'd be nothing left to cook...LOL meaning "over kill" is a waste of time. How many levels a mechanic uses to level a table is beside the point, and more of a personal choice, what's really important is that the mechanic use at least a level that is going to be accurate enough to properly level the slate and table, and that the mechanic knows how to use it.

4) I contribute as much as I can here in the forums, as a way of trying to help other mechanics with more "practical knowledge" that can be made of use on the job on a daily basis, but at the same time, have little time for someone that just wants to play mechanic part time.

Now, to answer the question for you, I gave you a Diamond table just for an example, but have encountered the same problems on other slates, including but not limited to Brunswick's, old and new.

Even if there is a frame work to place a shim and raise the lower side of the slate to match the high side, I don't like doing that because it places stress on center seam of the slate which is already set in place, by trying to lift the slate at the center seam.

1) Take a ratchet strap, run it all the way around the table body and across the slate.

2) Place a bottle jack on the high side of the slate, at the center of the highest point.

3) Run the ratchet strap over the bottle strap, and ratchet it tight enough that it won't slip, but still remains a little loose.

4) Raise the jack against the strap, which will cause the jack to push down the high side of the slate, until it's flush with the lower slate.

5) Super-glue the slates together at the point of the jack, and when you let off the pressure of the jack, the slates will stay bonded together, leaving you a flat seam. The high side of the slate is now being pulled down by the low side, and the low side is being pulled up by the high side, so they remain in the middle...flat with no ridge;)

Glen
 
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OTLB We are not asking you to stop posting, but we are asking you to say who you are and give us useful information, that we can use and not some off the wall info. Besides, i still want to see that slate method with no filler. It is like i said earlier. Alot of us have been around a while and pictures speak alot of words. I think we got off on the wrong foot, when you claim to know things and can not prove them. Yes i admit i and others have been hard, but all ,you have to do, is prove yourself ,here. When you put up post and claim to know how to do things and then say you do not have to prove yourself, that is bad. Just post with evidence and i am sure we will be glad to help you out. Untill then just sit back and watch the Cobra entertain us. LOL
Ron
 
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