overseas cuemakers

[JoeyInCali]

Well, from an American cue buyer's point of view, that'll probably be a good thing, lol.

Probably but I bet a ton of cuemakers would quit making q's if not for the foreign market.
Also, as far as I know, most major components of cues are still coming from the US. Heck, the shafts alone are mostly from Canada and Michigan.

 

[JoeyInCali]

Now why would they want to do that Joey? They recognize an opportunity to double, triple, or even quadruple the price on cues when they resell them. Unless they are doing some underhanded deals, they are paying their fair share of import fees and their governments are benefitting by that. By one avenue or another, that money may just go to the aid of the citizens of that country. But all that is not germane to the subject at hand (importing ivory etc).

I suggested that because they are contributing to the trade deficit of their countries by buying US-Made goods.
Oh, those US-based cueamakers who complain about Asian-made cues while at the same time selling cuemaking equipment to them are hyprocrites imo.

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

I suggested that because they are contributing to the trade deficit of their countries by buying US-Made goods.
Oh, those US-based cueamakers who complain about Asian-made cues while at the same time selling cuemaking equipment to them are hyprocrites imo.

How about that, we seem to agree on at least two issues.

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

Probably but I bet a ton of cuemakers would quit making q's if not for the foreign market.
Also, as far as I know, most major components of cues are still coming from the US. Heck, the shafts alone are mostly from Canada and Michigan.

There probably would be a few quit. Hard to say.

Which components are you speaking of?

 

[JoeyInCali]

There probably would be a few quit. Hard to say.

Which components are you speaking of?

Phenolics, pins, bumpers, epoxy, glue and finish ( Dupont, 3M and 5 Star ).

 

[TellsItLikeItIs]

Phenolics, pins, bumpers, epoxy, glue and finish ( Dupont, 3M and 5 Star ).

Yep! And ready made Samsari forearms & butt sleeves as well.

 

[Purdman]

Mr. Hog

I saw Mr G Hog's name in the obituary column. I trust you gave him a proper funeral


To be honest with you TellItLikeItIs, the dumpster was marked Cardboard Only. He was in a plastic bag though. I hope that is proper enough for ya.
Purdman

 

[blud]

selling

I suggested that because they are contributing to the trade deficit of their countries by buying US-Made goods.
Oh, those US-based cueamakers who complain about Asian-made cues while at the same time selling cuemaking equipment to them are hyprocrites imo.

Hey Joey, I sure hope your not refering to me? I sell my cues, my machinery to whoever, I please.


Yes, I sell cues and machinery over-seas. SO WHAT?


{{{{{As the founder of the American Cuemakers association, and president for two terms, vice-president two terms, I caught hell from within the association. It was brought to my attention that I should not help the up coming yourger wanna-be cuemakers, and or I should stop building machinery, because i wasn't in the best interest of the ACA. BS, again. It seems they didn't want the competion. I told them real fast, I'll teach, sell to whoever and whenever I please}}}}}.

About a week or so ago, I posted that I was again contacted by the ACA, [or a member] asking me not to build machinery and or teach cuemaking. BS again.

I'm loyal to the guys who got me started years ago, they get my cues first. THE AMERICANS POOL PLAYERS.

I sell many more cues in the states than I ever have over-seas. Back in the early 80's, I could of sold thousands of cues to Japan. I was contacted by many new Japanese buyers, who wantd my cue exclusively. I said no. My friends here in the states got me started and that's where the bulk of my cues will be sold.
Yes, I've made many trips over-seas, selling my cues, and have done good. Everytime I go, I sell out. But I have many cues on order for the guys here. THEY COME FIRST.

I sell to Asians countries, [cues and machines]. I have no problem with there cues coming in the states. It makes the rest of us do a better job, at what we enjoy doing.

Push comes to shove,I find that most Americans, do buy AMERICAN made cues.

The ones who support the Asians, so be it[ don't knock them for it],some are just cheap ass people, some can not afford American made cues, but like to play pool and have no choice, but to buy the lower-end cues. Don't knock them for buying the lower-end cues, after all if they didn't, we would not have as many playing our sport.

EXPOSURE, guys.

blud

 

[Michael Webb]

Joey:
Did you think you could add two cents to the pot and get 50 cents returned.

HOLY DISCOMBOBBLED BATMAN!!!!!!!

 

[buddha162]

Joey:
Did you think you could add two cents to the pot and get 50 cents returned.

I think there's a whole dollar there, LOL!

-Roger

 

[hadjcues]

I'm not familiar with ivory laws but does the law mean that it is illegal to export and import products with ivory like cues in the US? Then if so, no US made cue with ivory is allowed to leave the US... kinda limiting IMO...

Legal ivory can be bought in antique shops I believe they are pre-ban... fashioned into ornaments or some big ol paperweight and it ain't cheap...

Hadjcues

 

[Michael Webb]

I think there's a whole dollar there, LOL!

-Roger

Tap, Tap.

 

[bandido]

Joey:
Did you think you could add two cents to the pot and get 50 cents returned.

HOLY DISCOMBOBBLED BATMAN!!!!!!!

A very good ROI from Blud and a lot higher than the ROI that these Filipino CM's get for their cues. Although at times I've read post from him in a negative tone referring to Asian cues/cuemakers as "there". He isn't as bad as Chris though.
I just can't imagine a supposed international cuemakers' organization's International Director making such statement! Here's an excerpt from the US FWS' FAQ:

Can I sell my pre-Act ivory?
Pre-Act ivory can be sold to others residing in your State. However, once the ivory has entered commerce, it losses its pre-Act status.

Can my shipment of ivory transit the United States?
Yes, if the ivory is a bona-fide antique or noncommercial pre-Act item, and accompanied by the appropriate ESA and CITES documents.

So, it's either Chris is unaware of the above or just straight out misleading the readers by stating that 99% of US cuemakers use legal ivory. It's not 99% but 100% and it's not legal but rather illegal according to the above US FWS FAQ response. I have a hunch too that the above reasons are why a museum doesn't openly offer their ivory for sale now. That FAQ also contains answers regarding exporting pre-Act and its not favorable.

The Filipino CMs just follow the US CMs lead but if the leader of the free world loses its right to enjoy something due to its own doing then US cue art enthusiasts will just have to be outside looking in while the rest of the world enjoys ivory inlaid cues. Please say that this isn't going to happen!

 

[bandido]

Hi Cosmo,
Yes it is illegal to import the cues with ivory from the Philippines.
So is exporting ivory inlaid cues from the US.
That does not stop people from doing it.
Agree, as long as there's a demand there will be suppliers hiding behind a mask or not.
One guy told me he had a cuemakers over there paint over the finished cue with some type of easy to remove black stuff to fool customs. I don't condone such actions
Quite imaginative wouldn't you say? It does take 2 to tango so the consumer friend of yours condoned it for it to happen. I found it amazing.
According to a cuemaker from Asia, the Ivory in the Philippines is almost all illegal ivory bought from poachers for $30 or less per pound.
You're referring to Ron Powell that's why I'm not surprised with the $30 or less per pound. FedExing it over from Africa cost more than that a pound! LOL
Whereas the Americans are using tusks from old Safaris and Estates that obtained the ivory before 1989.
Read the FWS FAQ that I posted above and tell me about this old Safaris and estates again. Whew, at least I've never heard of a Filipino going to safaris.
I was also told minimum wage there is $5 per day. Doesn't take long to figure out why the cues can be bought as cheap as they can.
Don't worry about it. Gas here is less than $3/gallon and the Philippines is not even an oil producing country. Maybe you should look to blame internally first. Worry about China as they're the largest importer of illegal ivory.LOL
Chris
www.cuesmith.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com

Being ICA International Director, you should be more careful not to start such controversial topics (your US peers may not like the direction that it'll take). Be careful to not bad-mouth overseas peers (specially the Angeles City cuemakers who you share the same liking for snakeskin wraps) as that goes against the goals of your organization. Learn to weigh the merits of info that you get. You are being set up and it's not the Asian cuemakers that're being targetted but rather US cuemakers. Ask Ted about the PM to me, from your informant, in Poolfanatic.com that I gave him access to. You won't like the attitude of your informant towards US cuemakers.

 

[Michael Webb]

Hi Edwin
Haven't heard from you in a while, nice to know your still out there.

 

[bandido]

Hi Edwin
Haven't heard from you in a while, nice to know your still out there.

Hi Mike! I'm here taking advantage of my dad's 'puter. Kinda late but I'm sorry to read about your dad.

Come over with Sherm next year!

 

[cuesmith]

Hi Mike! I'm here taking advantage of my dad's 'puter. Kinda late but I'm sorry to read about your dad.

Come over with Sherm next year!

Yeah Mike! I think we have a group going in April if you'd like to join us! You too Jimbo! I highly recommend a vacation in the Philippines! Just don't try to hustle the locals, you may not like your end of that! lol Seriously, if anyone is considering a trip to the Philippines and wants some advise, feel free to contact me. It's a wonderful place!

Ed, Nice article in Inside Pool this month! Looks like you've been working hard on your shop as well as the cues! Looks great, my friend!

Sherm

 

[Michael Webb]

Hi Mike! I'm here taking advantage of my dad's 'puter. Kinda late but I'm sorry to read about your dad.

Come over with Sherm next year!

Thank you, and you can bet I have been thinking about that trip since I've talked to Sherm. I am working on it but work comes first. But I'm working on it.

 

[bandido]

Yeah Mike! I think we have a group going in April if you'd like to join us! You too Jimbo! I highly recommend a vacation in the Philippines! Just don't try to hustle the locals, you may not like your end of that! lol Seriously, if anyone is considering a trip to the Philippines and wants some advise, feel free to contact me. It's a wonderful place!

Ed, Nice article in Inside Pool this month! Looks like you've been working hard on your shop as well as the cues! Looks great, my friend!

Sherm

Sherm! Can't wait bud! I have a slab of Amboyna and section of 300 yr old ibano waiting for you here. Maybe we could contact Brad Simpson and see if he wants to come with the group. We had a blast a few years back.

You know, I haven't even seen that article nor know what it says.

 

[bandido]

Thank you, and you can bet I have been thinking about that trip since I've talked to Sherm. I am working on it but work comes first. But I'm working on it.

Aww, bring the cues with you and I'll get rid of them for you. Bring the unfinished and you can work on them here in my shop while we shoot sh*%.

I'll take you to my wood suppliers up in the mountains where you wouldn't even know where to start. Ship back some to cover your expenses and some.