Pads for Ivory Ferrules
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Fliedout said:
The pad is not a cushion under normal conditions.
The pad is harder than the tip, so it can't function as much of a shock
absorber. The pad has only one purpose. When the glue bond fails
under stress, like whacking the CB really hard, and the tip flies off,
it is a barier of sorts to the force.
I have always questioned how valid the idea of extra protection is.
Dale
pdcue said:
I have heard that the idea behind using a pad was two fold. One, to prevent the ferrule from splitting along the grain when the tip mushrooms with use. Two, to allow you to change tips without facing off the ferrule every time.
I have to admit that I don't know if either of these are the real reason.
Both are real reasons. Third is mainly to give extra protection when the tip gets low. Some people wait too long to change the tip. I agree that the spread of a tip when mushrooming causing the ferrule to split, is not as much of an issue with layered tips, but the tip getting low is still a problem with any tip that has little height along the edge. In that aspect the pad can be a life saver for the ferrule. Like was mentioned before, Ivory needs all the help it can get.Omar said:
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Ivory Ferrules
I don't know where all this stuff about pads started but they are absolutely unnecessary. The pads make it twice as hard to get a good bond between the ferrule and the tip because of the extra piece between them. It also renders twice the chance of failure because it is two applications.
The tip takes up the shock and unless you let the tip get down to nothing you won't have a problem with Ivory plus it plays great and looks better than any other material known to man.
Good Cuemaking,
I have installed thousands of Ivory Ferrules over the years and I have had Ivory Ferrules on my personal cues for over 40 years with NO problems and NO pads.Fliedout said:
I don't know where all this stuff about pads started but they are absolutely unnecessary. The pads make it twice as hard to get a good bond between the ferrule and the tip because of the extra piece between them. It also renders twice the chance of failure because it is two applications.
The tip takes up the shock and unless you let the tip get down to nothing you won't have a problem with Ivory plus it plays great and looks better than any other material known to man.
Good Cuemaking,
I am glad you have had such success with no pad on your Ivory ferrules. As someone who used to work all the professional and larger amateur events that came to Atlanta I have just about seen it all. I have seen dozens of Ivory Ferrules cracked with no pad that still had a pretty tall tip on them that was mushroomed. My conclusion is that the Lepro tip when it spreads at the bottom will split the ivory. Layered tips would tend to do this less. If you press teh tip you would be less likely to get the mushrooming that spreads the tip and ferrule apart. Older Meucci cues with the large tenon had the same problem for the same reason. Tip spreads and splits tenon and ferrule. Kept us repairmen pretty busy in the 80's and early 90's. We used to joke around saying we hoped they never changed the ferrule design as it made us a lot of money.
Chris
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I use a pad on every shaft I build unless specifically asked not too. Doesn't matter on what type of ferrule material I use. They all get padded. I have never had a problem of them popping or coming off as I know how to properly prepare the surfaces and what type of glue to use to keep everything tight. If your having problems in this dept your doing something wrong.
<~~~~~likes pads under tips........
<~~~~~likes pads under tips........