Pagulyan Carbon Fiber shaft?

[BobPA]

Not from what I know of how quality tubes are made. The machinery is extremely expensive, way more expensive than some custom cue maker could ever afford or justify in their small scale production. Then you have the thin walled wood core that follows a varying diameter carbon shaft I think. Just not going to happen by some small time cue maker.
I doubt even McDermott makes their own carbon shafts, I'm sure Jacoby doesn't also, then there is the issue of the thin walled wood plug if it is full length as they seem to show. Just not happening on a small custom maker.
Making a wrap for a jet ski that goes over a form is a totally different thing than a small carbon tube. not only do the tubes have to be made so that they have an even flex, but also have to be sanded uniform, then you have the wood plug, just not happening in someone's garage and for a small quantity.

While I agree to a certain extent, it would not surprise me if someone could build a competitive shaft out of their workshop. Something like the Longoni shaft that does not have a seam would be more difficult, but a standard carbon tubed shaft could be done. Would it be worth while cost wise? Probably not as carbon blanks are so cheap from overseas.

The jet ski was was not just a wrap. It was a complete carbon hull/hood combo made from scratch. It was not a copy, but their own deign. Also, keep in mind that they started making them in 2012, and there is a ton more technology available today then back then. Neither of them had a composite background either, one dude sold insurance and the other was an Army guy. The finished products were impressive to say the least...especially considering I would not let either of them change a spark plug in my ski haha.

 

[garczar]

Not from what I know of how quality tubes are made. The machinery is extremely expensive, way more expensive than some custom cue maker could ever afford or justify in their small scale production. Then you have the thin walled wood core that follows a varying diameter carbon shaft I think. Just not going to happen by some small time cue maker.
I doubt even McDermott makes their own carbon shafts, I'm sure Jacoby doesn't also, then there is the issue of the thin walled wood plug if it is full length as they seem to show. Just not happening on a small custom maker.
Making a wrap for a jet ski that goes over a form is a totally different thing than a small carbon tube. not only do the tubes have to be made so that they have an even flex, but also have to be sanded uniform, then you have the wood plug, just not happening in someone's garage and for a small quantity.

Yep. There are no little guys out there with autoclaves making their own tubes. Cost(equipment, space, supplies,etc) alone would make it nearly impossible. That's why almost all CF shaft sellers are assemblers. Bigger outfits like BeCue(they were a composite maker before getting into pool), Whyte, Predator, Cuetec all have the size/funds to make tubes.

 

[garczar]

While I agree to a certain extent, it would not surprise me if someone could build a competitive shaft out of their workshop. Something like the Longoni shaft that does not have a seam would be more difficult, but a standard carbon tubed shaft could be done. Would it be worth while cost wise? Probably not as carbon blanks are so cheap from overseas.

The jet ski was was not just a wrap. It was a complete carbon hull/hood combo made from scratch. It was not a copy, but their own deign. Also, keep in mind that they started making them in 2012, and there is a ton more technology available today then back then. Neither of them had a composite background either, one dude sold insurance and the other was an Army guy. The finished products were impressive to say the least...especially considering I would not let either of them change a spark plug in my ski haha.

That's mostly likely 'cold cure' cf. Big parts like that are commonly made with room temp. setting cf composites. Making tubes requires precision mandrels,precise wrapping/gluing and then autoclave curing. Not saying its impossible for a 'garage guy' to make a shaft but its highly unlikely. The co's in Asia like Carbonoid makes GILLIONS of shafts/butts/extensions that are bought by cue/shaft assemblers/marketers. I'm still standing on the Pag shafts being assembled in Canada but not 100% made there.

 

[garczar]

Anyone else imagine that one of garczar's ancestors was hanging around France in the early 1800's with a quill pen writing a rant about these new leather tips that they put on their cues and how some fool is gonna spend 2 francs on it?

I have nothing against tech. furthering the game but this is nothing but a late career cash grab. Its nothing new, just a re-hash of what's already been done. BTW, my ancestors are scotch-irish, mostly irish. We chased/killed/fk'd frenchies for sport.

 

[jayman]

In a few weeks, people will be posting their reviews on here saying it's the best CF shaft they've ever hit with and has the best "feel" out of anything on the market and they are now 3 balls better.

And then in a few months, they all be here for sale.

 

[Mensabum]

And then in a few months, they all be here for sale.

Oh please God no!!

 

[TheRooster]

I hit with it for a minute. 12.2 diameter shaft with the medium tip. Played some hard center ball shots, some draw shots, and some max sidespin stop shots.

The taper is very good. I'm not a fan of the conical taper on the Revo. The hit felt nice; to me it was a nice happy medium and felt very lively.

His ad says "unlike hollow or overly thin designs....". That means to me it will squirt much more than a Revo, or even a 314.

I play with a Revo 12.4 and my first guess at the deflection for max sidespin stop shot was correct. We'll have to wait for someone to test it. I think it will be close to the Revo.. maybe slightly more.

 

[Mensabum]

While I agree to a certain extent, it would not surprise me if someone could build a competitive shaft out of their workshop. Something like the Longoni shaft that does not have a seam would be more difficult, but a standard carbon tubed shaft could be done. Would it be worth while cost wise? Probably not as carbon blanks are so cheap from overseas.

The jet ski was was not just a wrap. It was a complete carbon hull/hood combo made from scratch. It was not a copy, but their own deign. Also, keep in mind that they started making them in 2012, and there is a ton more technology available today then back then. Neither of them had a composite background either, one dude sold insurance and the other was an Army guy. The finished products were impressive to say the least...especially considering I would not let either of them change a spark plug in my ski haha.

I hit with it for a minute. 12.2 diameter shaft with the medium tip. Played some hard center ball shots, some draw shots, and some max sidespin stop shots.

The taper is very good. I'm not a fan of the conical taper on the Revo. The hit felt nice; to me it was a nice happy medium and felt very lively.


I play with a Revo 12.4 and my first guess at the deflection for max sidespin stop shot was correct. We'll have to wait for someone to test it. I think it will be close to the Revo.. maybe slightly more.

I really don't know why you would want to. I got a price of 8 bucks apiece for 12k filament wound aero grade carbon fiber tubes direct from China. The same filament count as Revo and other top of the line cuemakers.
There's a fortune to be made on these things and the manufacturers know it!!
As long as there's a bit of mystery to it all, and the high tech marketing razzle dazzle continues, there will always be people ready to be the first on their block to own one!!
Doesn't matter if it plays any better than what they have at home. It fills a need they otherwise can't satisfy. Helps products like this sell themselves.
I've read some of the replies on here and you can tell by the wording that people are trying to convince themselves that these are the newest big thing.
Those folks in Canada are counting on it.
I mean, it's $800 bucks!!
Gotta be good, right?? Right??

You tell 'em PT B.

Forgive my skepticism, but c'mon.

 

[Mensabum]

While I agree to a certain extent, it would not surprise me if someone could build a competitive shaft out of their workshop. Something like the Longoni shaft that does not have a seam would be more difficult, but a standard carbon tubed shaft could be done. Would it be worth while cost wise? Probably not as carbon blanks are so cheap from overseas.

The jet ski was was not just a wrap. It was a complete carbon hull/hood combo made from scratch. It was not a copy, but their own deign. Also, keep in mind that they started making them in 2012, and there is a ton more technology available today then back then. Neither of them had a composite background either, one dude sold insurance and the other was an Army guy. The finished products were impressive to say the least...especially considering I would not let either of them change a spark plug in my ski haha.

His ad says "unlike hollow or overly thin designs....". That means to me it will squirt much more than a Revo, or even a 314.

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Idk who wrote that for Alex, but he deserves a raise!!!
"Balanced mass distribution and vibration management" ??
That means foam and pad.

 

[jalapus logan]

In golf its 'putter-itis", you putt lights out for a few rounds and then BAM you go right back to your old three-puttin doggin ass. New cue/shaft often does same thing. All mental.

So you're sayin' I should buy several hundred of these shafts so that I can continue to over perform by switching to a new putter/ shaft every few rounds / shots? Makes sense, I'm in

 

[dendweller]

Idk who wrote that for Alex, but he deserves a raise!!!
"Balanced mass distribution and vibration management" ??
That means foam and pad.

maybe they are just rebranding the defy

 

[Icon of Sin]

$800 is really wild. I'm still waiting on someone that shot with one at Derby to comment. Odd that no one has so far, at least that I've seen.

Kinda seems like he would have handed a couple out to some better non-sponsored players for testimonials and such.

Hit with the 12.2 and the 11.8 at Derby.

For CF shafts, they felt really good. Better feel then the other major competitors.

I currently use the Mezz Ignite 12.2. Have been for about 2 years now. To me, the Mezz deflects less in the 12.2 model. In the Pristine 11.8 the deflection was about the same as the mezz, but that diameter was too small for me to be comfortable with. I was miscueing a lot until I started moving the tip closer to center.

I do urge people to hit with it and judge for yourself. It is easy to judge it on price alone. 800 is very expensive and in my opinion, too much still. If it was 600 or less I'm still not sure I would have ordered it based off the performance compared to my current shaft.

The feel of it was better then the Mezz, but with that being said, the Mezz doesn't feel bad at all... Plus with the size I like, my Mezz deflects less.

Just my thoughts. Read my disclaimer in my signature.