palmer cue from the trash

joe c

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hi everybody i am new to this site.like what i have read.let me know what you think of this cue.it was warped and the butt sleeve was missing i put a handle,butt sleeve added some inlays and a leather wrap.could you also let me know what value it has. thanks joe c.
 

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Nice Work

joe c said:
hi everybody i am new to this site.like what i have read.let me know what you think of this cue.it was warped and the butt sleeve was missing i put a handle,butt sleeve added some inlays and a leather wrap.could you also let me know what value it has. thanks joe c.


JOE,
The work you did is nice. Value is hard to determine. Basicly what you have is a titlist conversion that you did. It wouldn't be considered a palmer anymore in my opinion. Value would be basicly whatever you would chargeto build that same cue from scratch. I am curious, what would you ask for the cue if it was for sale?
 
FAST_N_LOOSE said:
JOE,
The work you did is nice. Value is hard to determine. Basicly what you have is a titlist conversion that you did. It wouldn't be considered a palmer anymore in my opinion. Value would be basicly whatever you would chargeto build that same cue from scratch. I am curious, what would you ask for the cue if it was for sale?

Kind of a conversion, conversion! lol Looks great Joe

Sherm
 
joe c said:
hi everybody i am new to this site.like what i have read.let me know what you think of this cue.it was warped and the butt sleeve was missing i put a handle,butt sleeve added some inlays and a leather wrap.could you also let me know what value it has. thanks joe c.

I'm with the other guys on this. The works looks great and it's a nice looking cue. It's kind of a Titleist conversion, but it's not really. I think you used care to match the butt sleeve color with the inner prongs, rosewood I guess.

However, it's not a Titleist anymore because it's just a forearm and you lose the advantage of a full splice. People buying the Titleist conversions want a full splice cue. It's got Palmer rings but that's about it.

So, what you have is a custom cue with a nice short splice Titleist forearm. Determining the price is difficult because custom cues are priced based largely on the rep of the cue maker.

I think $400 - $500 would be a fair price for an unknown maker. If you have an established following and a rep, a mid range price would be like $600 - $800.

Chris
 
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thanks for all the feedback.i am actually giving the cue back to the gentleman that gave it to me.just a gift for him.he will be surprized to see it.the wood in the butt is lacewood that was the closest match i had for the point wood . i thought it might have been a mahaughany wood by looking at the grain. i have a couple of other cues i am finishing up and will post those also
 
TATE said:
I'm with the other guys on this. The works looks great and it's a nice looking cue. It's kind of a Titleist conversion, but it's not really. I think you used care to match the butt sleeve color with the inner prongs, rosewood I guess.

However, it's not a Titleist anymore because it's just a forearm and you lose the advantage of a full splice. People buying the Titleist conversions want a full splice cue. It's got Palmer rings but that's about it.

So, what you have is a custom cue with a nice short splice Titleist forearm. Determining the price is difficult because custom cues are priced based largely on the rep of the cue maker.

I think $400 - $500 would be a fair price for an unknown maker. If you have an established following and a rep, a mid range price would be like $600 - $800.

Chris


I think you'll find that most Titlist conversions are done in this manner. There's a good reason! The old housecues had a sharper rate of taper. They were bigger in the butt, but smaller at the mid point of the cue. If you measure a Titlist, you'll find that it's only about .800 at 29 inches from the bottom. Also If you were to wrap it, in the normal place, you'd have very short points coming from under the wrap. Most cuemakers cut the butt just below the points and join a maple handle with the tennon either going up into the points or from the prong down into the handle. George was a pioneer at using a phenolic "buzz ring" at the splice, under the wrap. This is because it's difficult to glue endgrain to endgrain. Using a phenlic ring in between gives both endgrains something it can adhere to better. This process of moving the points up closer to the joint when the handle is added serves other purposes as well. Due to the taper, it makes the prong area slightly oversized. This gives you the opportunity to "bump the centers" as necessary and even up any differences in the point length. Surely you don't think all of those Titlists came with even points "out of the box". Also if the veneer tips are deteriorating, they can be turned out, good as new. I'll attach a couple of pics of one I'm working on now. This one is going to receive some actual "Bushka" parts in the bottom. I have most of a broken Balabushka Titlist which was like the one that Cicero Murphy played with for many years. It had a clear bottom with some knurled aluminum "gear like" rings inside. I had a twin (or would that be triplicate LOL) to this cue years ago and have planned this tribute cue for years.

just more hot air!

Sherm
 

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cuesmith said:
I'll attach a couple of pics of one I'm working on now. This one is going to receive some actual "Bushka" parts in the bottom. I have most of a broken Balabushka Titlist which was like the one that Cicero Murphy played with for many years. It had a clear bottom with some knurled aluminum "gear like" rings inside.
Do you have any photos of the busted Bushka? Will it be a BalabuShermka, or a Shermbushka? Either way, I bet it will be awesome.

Tracy
 
cuesmith said:
I think you'll find that most Titlist conversions are done in this manner. There's a good reason! The old housecues had a sharper rate of taper. They were bigger in the butt, but smaller at the mid point of the cue. If you measure a Titlist, you'll find that it's only about .800 at 29 inches from the bottom. Also If you were to wrap it, in the normal place, you'd have very short points coming from under the wrap. Most cuemakers cut the butt just below the points and join a maple handle with the tennon either going up into the points or from the prong down into the handle. George was a pioneer at using a phenolic "buzz ring" at the splice, under the wrap. This is because it's difficult to glue endgrain to endgrain. Using a phenlic ring in between gives both endgrains something it can adhere to better. This process of moving the points up closer to the joint when the handle is added serves other purposes as well. Due to the taper, it makes the prong area slightly oversized. This gives you the opportunity to "bump the centers" as necessary and even up any differences in the point length. Surely you don't think all of those Titlists came with even points "out of the box". Also if the veneer tips are deteriorating, they can be turned out, good as new. I'll attach a couple of pics of one I'm working on now. This one is going to receive some actual "Bushka" parts in the bottom. I have most of a broken Balabushka Titlist which was like the one that Cicero Murphy played with for many years. It had a clear bottom with some knurled aluminum "gear like" rings inside. I had a twin (or would that be triplicate LOL) to this cue years ago and have planned this tribute cue for years.

just more hot air!

Sherm

Very interesting Sherm and I didn't know that. I thought they used the entire handle and just turned it down. Howver, I imagine the cues made from blanks are handled differently.


Chris
 
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RSB-Refugee said:
Do you have any photos of the busted Bushka? Will it be a BalabuShermka, or a Shermbushka? Either way, I bet it will be awesome.

Tracy

No, actually I don't know what I did with the remains of the forearm/handle. That was the broken part. I believe it was placed across a curb and driven over with a car.... several times! At least that was the story I got 15 or 20 years ago when I received the parts along with all of the equipment from a cuemaker I bought out. As far as the name, it will be a tribute to George, by Sherm, I guess! lol
I'll take some pics when I have the "Bushka" bottom parts mounted on the Titlist Conversion.

Just more hot air!

Sherm
 
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