Pan Xiao Tina breaking form

GADawg said:
I'm sure a lot of you guys could teach her a better way to break but I don't think she'll listen.
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Exactly, it's her trademark.

The break stroke is just like every other stroke in pool.

I'm going to incorporate a three quarter twist with a
mule kick, punch stroke and write a book about how
the twist before the delivery adds velocity. :D :D
 
coopdeville said:
Exactly, it's her trademark.

The break stroke is just like every other stroke in pool.

I'm going to incorporate a three quarter twist with a
mule kick, punch stroke and write a book about how
the twist before the delivery adds velocity. :D :D
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I've written a few times about the elbow rise, and the side arm snap, so it's not just a funky idiosyncracy out of nothing. And of course it's not like every other stroke in pool.


Hers is extreme, but not out of the ordinary. Sarah Rousey looks very similar. So do many top male breakers. I just don't think most people ever examine the very best breakers' forms to see why they are what they are. Not every bodytype is the same, so there's going to be a motion appropriate for one, and not so appropriate for another.

If we're going to take pool as a sport seriously, then we have to acknowledge this.

Fred
 
Bicep

coopdeville said:
Ralf's break is not similar at all.
Xiaoting pulls the cue back for her final back stroke,
pauses, raises the butt a good foot and a half making
her stand up and then her forward swing levels the cue
and strikes the CB.

It is ridiculously effective for her and also ridiculous.
There's no reason to do this and as far as I can tell,
no reason to "snap" the break or try to make a stiff
piece of wood act like a whip. :rolleyes:

Trying to stop your break stroke on contact will only
slow down your stroke, providing a slower break shot.

Most people can probably break at the same speed,
if not faster, by stroking only with their bicep. It will
make for a much more consistent break also.

my .02 dollar.
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Isn't the bicep contracting for the back stroke & the tricep extending for the forward stroke?
 
Chinese chi energy as in reverse punch

GADawg said:
There are several Chinese female players using this breaking motion. Pan is the most prominent and successful.

After watching several of her practice sessions last year and as poor as my break was acting at the time, I decided to see if it would work for me. My advice "Don't try this at home!". I could barely hit the cue ball and one time thought I had broken my hand hitting the rail. I believe this break is effective, but probably has to be taught by a qualified instructor and learned in small steps.
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While we are on the subject of Chinese, is there any discussion or illustration of martial artists/pool players incorporating their chi energy into the break in a fashion similar to the reverse punch?
 
Unorthodox motion, maybe. But there are 3 things I like about her break - 1)she is able to reach as far back as possible for a big swing, 2)just before she pulls the trigger her cue comes to a complete stop, and, 3)as the butt of her cue is raised she also stands more erect allowing her to generate more power. Throw in a lot of practice and she ends up with one of the most efficient breaks I've ever seen.

It may well not work for everyone but it sure works for her.
 
chi

coopdeville said:
flip that, reverse it and you got it.

It's impossible not to use your chi.
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You are correct. Perhaps I should say focus it or intensify it. I find that when I involuntarily yell on the follow through the break is great. It just happens. Mental rehearsal is the only thing I can put my finger on. I don't thing I'm recruiting my core to the same extent on the pool break as when I break with a reverse punch. It is coming. I'm not terribly patient. Than you.
 
This is just

a comparative analogy on my part, but consider this when comparing the Snap break to a 'normal' Bustemante style break.

You have the same car going to run the 1/4 mile.

A) 1st time from a standing start with its engine revved up.
B) 2nd time from the same starting point only on a downward ramp (which represents the circular rocker arm movement of the Snap stroke).

Which will turn in the best time for the 1/4 mile?

Now, it is the same car with the same horsepower (muscle strength).
 
i don't understand all this talk about a 'snap' break. all she is doing is compensating for her lack of size and ability to generate a big backswing, by moving upwards instead of back. thus giving her a longer time to swing forward and generate momentum.

correct me if i'm wrong by all means.
 
worriedbeef said:
i don't understand all this talk about a 'snap' break. all she is doing is compensating for her lack of size and ability to generate a big backswing, by moving upwards instead of back. thus giving her a longer time to swing forward and generate momentum.

correct me if i'm wrong by all means.
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You are exactly right. Xiao Ting is the same height as I am and weighs quite a bit less but has a great break and we both kind of use the same motion. Her backswing is a bit slower than mine. It is compensation for size. Alex Pagulayan does something similar when he breaks....he is also only about 5'2 if he's lucky.

It is correct that this style doesn't work for everyone. People that are taller will have a hard time doing it. Timing is also something that needs to be taken into consideration. To have this style you have to have good timing. When the timing is off, it is way more obvious than someone with a different style. And yes, you can compare to golf in this area and baseball/softball...it is all about timing. Playing golf you can have a funky swing but still hit the ball a mile...I don't have a perfect swing but the same timing I use to break I use to drive and hit the ball pretty far...my sister is only a little taller than me and is a homerun hitter playing NCAA softball...her swing is not perfect but she has good timing.

Just my two cents on this one.
Sarah
 
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