Payment problems, could anyone help please?

[kvinbrwr]

I'm sorry, I have to ask this, what control do you have if it's coming from inside the US? It's still PayPal. I take issue with this because I live in Japan and have come across places that won't take PayPal. I'm about as honest as they come and I've done deals with people here on AZ that would definitely speak for me if needed. Beside that though, regardless of if the money is coming from Maine or Malaysia, it's still an electronic transfer via the internet. What control do you really have? Do you feel that you can get in your car and drive cross country to find this person? I'm not trying to sound like a smart ass with that last line, I'm honestly curious about this. In my opinion, there are no borders on the internet. You are just as easily and likely to get ripped off by a guy 2 streets over as you are from someone on the other side of the planet and you have about as much recourse.

I can sympathize with the original poster here. For me to send a money order from Japan I have to pay currency exchange fees, even though I'm making a damned check and not touching any cash, I have to pay a 25.00 charge for making the money order and then I have to pay another 25 to ship it out in a way that if it gets lost I don't lose it. So, a hundred dollar item has just been bumped up to over 150.00 just messing with sending the money. Not to mention I have to drive all the way to the post office and fill out all the forms etc... With PayPal I can fill out an amount, an email address to send it to and push a button, DONE. I really don't like it when places won't accept PayPal or aren't set up to take a credit card. Oh, did I mention that an international money order from Japan can only go up to 700 dollars? Yeah, if I buy a cue that costs 2500 bucks I have to pay for 4 money orders. Do the math on that one.
MULLY

Mully

It seems the same, but its not. PayPal has seller protection that protects the seller against charge backs providing the seller has performed in certain ways. For US seller, that almost always means shipping domestically. There are some Countries that PayPal will protect US sellers in shipping to (Japan is one, Vietnam is not) but very few International buyers want to pay the shipping charges that result in Internationally shipping in a way that satisfies PayPal.

And this thing the OP wants to do, PayPal from an address in one Country and then ship to another, is absolutely never ever covered my seller protection.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[mullyman]

Mully

It seems the same, but its not. PayPal has seller protection that protects the seller against charge backs providing the seller has performed in certain ways. For US seller, that almost always means shipping domestically. There are some Countries that PayPal will protect US sellers in shipping to (Japan is one, Vietnam is not) but very few International buyers want to pay the shipping charges that result in Internationally shipping in a way that satisfies PayPal.

Thanks

Kevin

I've only used Paypal for paying for things so I wasn't aware of the seller protection etc...

As for the shipping fees, I feel sorry for any seller that has to listen to come ass clown get on them about shipping fees. Having lived over here for so long I've already come to terms with the fact that shipping is going to bite me in the ass sometimes, and I accept that. I tell anyone I'm dealing with straight away that I'm aware that shipping and possible import duties are on my end.

Funny shipping story for you here. I ordered a Bengals jersey from nflshop.com and they wanted 95 bucks to ship it to Japan. Look, I don't mind having to pay a little extra for shipping and possibly having duties on top of that, but 95 dollars to ship a God damned shirt? I can send a guitar for that much. So, I took them up on their free domestic shipping, had it sent to my mom's house and she forwarded it on to me. The shipping to Japan was 35 bucks. Fkin' NFL shop!!!
MULLY

 

[kvinbrwr]

I've only used Paypal for paying for things so I wasn't aware of the seller protection etc...

As for the shipping fees, I feel sorry for any seller that has to listen to come ass clown get on them about shipping fees. Having lived over here for so long I've already come to terms with the fact that shipping is going to bite me in the ass sometimes, and I accept that. I tell anyone I'm dealing with straight away that I'm aware that shipping and possible import duties are on my end.

Funny shipping story for you here. I ordered a Bengals jersey from nflshop.com and they wanted 95 bucks to ship it to Japan. Look, I don't mind having to pay a little extra for shipping and possibly having duties on top of that, but 95 dollars to ship a God damned shirt? I can send a guitar for that much. So, I took them up on their free domestic shipping, had it sent to my mom's house and she forwarded it on to me. The shipping to Japan was 35 bucks. Fkin' NFL shop!!!
MULLY

Mully

That lack of seller protection is one of the reasons. Customs restrictions on ivory is another (for cues). Also many International buyers want to under declare to save on duties, which in turn means under insurance. Now while buyers are requesting that the seller does this, they are claiming that they are taking responsibility for any potential loss, but all that kind of falls away when the loss is incurred and the blame game ensues. In these cases, as a seller, you don't want to have accepted a reversible form of payment. Even in a case of an Internationally protected address, if the seller can't prove delivery, he is 100% dead nuts Hungarian lock loser in a PayPal charge back dispute.

And, as regards you shipping story, that's exactly what I'm talking about. In the case of shipping to an International address that is eligible for protection, PayPal demands shipping methods that many buyers freak out over the cost of, much like your 95 to $35 thing. I guarantee you the method your mom used to ship would not have qualified for PayPal's seller protection.

So there you have it, more than you wanted to know.

Kevin

 

[Gen0va]

pay the extra fees for a money order - otherwise buy a cue locally.
(sorry to sound blunt, but it seems the seller won't budge - even if he is within reason)

 

[mullyman]

Mully

That lack of seller protection is one of the reasons. Customs restrictions on ivory is another (for cues). Also many International buyers want to under declare to save on duties, which in turn means under insurance. Now while buyers are requesting that the seller does this, they are claiming that they are taking responsibility for any potential loss, but all that kind of falls away when the loss is incurred and the blame game ensues. In these cases, as a seller, you don't want to have accepted a reversible form of payment. Even in a case of an Internationally protected address, if the seller can't prove delivery, he is 100% dead nuts Hungarian lock loser in a PayPal charge back dispute.

And, as regards you shipping story, that's exactly what I'm talking about. In the case of shipping to an International address that is eligible for protection, PayPal demands shipping methods that many buyers freak out over the cost of, much like your 95 to $35 thing. I guarantee you the method your mom used to ship would not have qualified for PayPal's seller protection.

So there you have it, more than you wanted to know.

Kevin

I'd just like to say that my mom used the US Post Office's Express Air. NFL shop uses UPS or FedEx. Shipping companies are a ripoff. They don't really offer anything that the USPS doesn't. Not anything worth paying an extra 65 bucks covers that is.
MULLY

 

[kvinbrwr]

I'd just like to say that my mom used the US Post Office's Express Air. NFL shop uses UPS or FedEx. Shipping companies are a ripoff. They don't really offer anything that the USPS doesn't. Not anything worth paying an extra 65 bucks covers that is.
MULLY

Mully

There is NO International shipping method offered by USPS that offers direct on-line verifiable signature confirmation (a PayPal seller protection must have). See what I mean? So now if you want to ship Internationally to one of the few Countries that PayPal will offer seller protection on, you have to force the buyer to pay the $95 shipping when the buyer knows it can get done for $35 (in a way that will void PayPal's protection). I hope you are seeing that when US sellers refuse to take your International PayPal its not because they are prejudiced or whatever. What you are offering the US seller with your International PayPal payment is either a load of risk or a load of hassle. Its just not the same deal for the seller as him taking some domestic guy's PayPal payment for his item, which he can do in a completely safe, fully insured, charge back protected manner and he can offer his buyer economical shipping that also satisfies PayPal's requirements.

Thanks

Kevin

 

[kvinbrwr]

My situation is as following:
- I found a pool cue from this gentleman in PA, USA that I would love to buy.
- My problem is that I can only pay using PayPal, and he only wants to be paid with the good old money order (PayPal is probably too hi-tech for him?).
- I usually live in Australia. At the moment I live and work in Vietnam. I do have relatives living in TX, USA and they will go back to Vietnam in a month time. That's why I would like to pay with PayPal, get it shipped to my relatives and I'll have it in a month. However, the seller doesn't like PayPal and insists on money orders only.
- My relatives will not handle paying, they don't have a PayPal account, and have no interest in helping me pay. Personally, asking them to bring a cue back to Vietnam for me is already asking for enough. Plus, they don't want IRS questioning them about some amount sent from overseas.
- I could use Western Union, however the fees is ridiculous (around 10-12% extra).
- I have always used PayPal for pretty much everything. I have also ordered from Seyberts and similar sites. They did have questions about why my billing address is in Australia and shipping address is in Texas. But they always approve after I explain.

Could anyone suggest what to do? Any help?

Your seller is unwilling to take the risk of a PayPal charge back which could cost him all the money you paid for the cue.

You are unwilling to pay the seller with a cashier's check and risk that he doesn't send you the cue and you lose all your money.

If you are unwilling to send a cashier's check to escrow, there is no solution.

Kevin