People bitching about 7’ tables

PoolFan101

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They've been the norm for the last 20yrs. THE biggest reason that the US has SO FEW world-class players. In Asia and Europe they don't play on bb's with the exception of English 8b. Go to the Philipines or Taiwan and try to find one.
I agree Garc , the US has not had a strong champion in years and 7 fits could very well have been the case.
 

garczar

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I agree Garc , the US has not had a strong champion in years and 7 fits could very well have been the case.
Its the reason. Almost all tournaments and ALL league play is on the small table. I don't blame players for making their $$ on one but the lack of big-table events/action is the reason we have so few world-class players. SVB is about the only US player that can compete on the world stage playing any rotation game on a regular basis.
 

jokrswylde

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I agree Garc , the US has not had a strong champion in years and 7 fits could very well have been the case.
Not sure if this was sarcastic or not, but the US has had arguably one of the top 2 or 3 champions, as well as the highest fargo rated champion for several years....and word on the street is he played a lot as a youngster on 7 footers and still likes them to this day.
 

garczar

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Not sure if this was sarcastic or not, but the US has had arguably one of the top 2 or 3 champions, as well as the highest fargo rated champion for several years....and word on the street is he played a lot as a youngster on 7 footers and still likes them to this day.
I agree but if you take Shane out of the equation US big-table pool gets kinda weak pretty quick. Not one that i like matching-up with a top euro/asian player. Sky's game on the big box has definitely improved but i still don't like his end vs. a lot of possible opponents.
 

jokrswylde

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Its the reason. Almost all tournaments and ALL league play is on the small table. I don't blame players for making their $$ on one but the lack of big-table events/action is the reason we have so few world-class players.
What are the chances the professional winds blow the other direction and shift, as others have suggested, to more 7 ft. tourneys. As many BB's as we have, we would dominate the world scene for a generation. Of course, it won't be long until those pool halls in the Phillipines realize the y can fit more 7 footers in and increase their bottom line.
SVB is about the only US player that can compete on the world stage playing any rotation game on a regular basis
Wasn't it just a few years ago that the US had 5 players make the sweet 16 of the US open? Tyler Styer won the Kremling Cup or something or another a few years ago. I think we will continue to see Sky and Thorpe get big wins. They can beat anyone in the world on any given day, but I agree they just need to do on a more regular basis
 

jokrswylde

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I agree but if you take Shane out of the equation US big-table pool gets kinda weak pretty quick. Not one that i like matching-up with a top euro/asian player. Sky's game on the big box has definitely improved but i still don't like his end vs. a lot of possible opponents.
looks like we are posting at the same time and saying the same things. lol. I agree, sir
 

garczar

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What are the chances the professional winds blow the other direction and shift, as others have suggested, to more 7 ft. tourneys. As many BB's as we have, we would dominate the world scene for a generation. Of course, it won't be long until those pool halls in the Phillipines realize the y can fit more 7 footers in and increase their bottom line.

Wasn't it just a few years ago that the US had 5 players make the sweet 16 of the US open? Tyler Styer won the Kremling Cup or something or another a few years ago. I think we will continue to see Sky and Thorpe get big wins. They can beat anyone in the world on any given day, but I agree they just need to do on a more regular basis
Don't hold your breath waiting on Filipino 'halls to start installing bb's. Every room in Asia is full of 9fts, Chinese 8b or snooker tables. They look at the little table as a joke.
 

jokrswylde

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Don't hold your breath waiting on Filipino 'halls to start installing bb's. Every room in Asia is full of 9fts, Chinese 8b or snooker tables. They look at the little table as a joke.
oh Im sure at some point the American room owners felt the same. But at the end of the day, a business looks at the bottom line. Nothing would surprise me.
 

fastone371

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Its the reason. Almost all tournaments and ALL league play is on the small table. I don't blame players for making their $$ on one but the lack of big-table events/action is the reason we have so few world-class players. SVB is about the only US player that can compete on the world stage playing any rotation game on a regular basis.
I think it is a huge stretch of the imagination to blame the US's lack of top level players on 7' tables. I don't think it would take long at all for a person that played world class speed on a 7' table to transfer those skills to a 9' table. The game is still the same just with longer shots and maybe a couple routes, its not like going from snooker to pool. If there was more money in pool its likely that you would see more top US players. I doubt that Tyler Styers time spent on 7' tables in local amateur tournaments affected his play on 9' tables in pro tournaments. He had a 9' table at home but most of his tournament play would have been on 7' tables because we just don't have a lot big tables up here.
 

garczar

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I think it is a huge stretch of the imagination to blame the US's lack of top level players on 7' tables. I don't think it would take long at all for a person that played world class speed on a 7' table to transfer those skills to a 9' table. The game is still the same just with longer shots and maybe a couple routes, its not like going from snooker to pool. If there was more money in pool its likely that you would see more top US players. I doubt that Tyler Styers time spent on 7' tables in local amateur tournaments affected his play on 9' tables in pro tournaments. He had a 9' table at home but most of his tournament play would have been on 7' tables because we just don't have a lot big tables up here.
By the time US bb specialists make the transition their asian/euro counterparts have played their entire lives on a big-table. Think that doesn't give them a huge advantage? Other than a few big events there are very few big-table tournaments here anymore. How many US players other than SVB will win a WC/US Open anytime soon? IMO Sky is the only one with any shot. I remember watching him in Olathe not that long ago when he could barely spell 'big table' much less compete on one. He and SVB are the only guys that grew up on bb's that can play wc pool on a regular basis.
 

whiteoak

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You made me spit coffee. That is ridiculous. Bordering on delusional.

I played APA back in the mid-late 90s. There was ONE day of league a week then. Pretty much the only night other than Friday where you would see women bother to come in. The rest of the week it was gambling and tournaments.

Now Friday is the only weekday there isn't league in the two pool halls I frequent. Hell, the APA has a ladies league that craps up weekend play every so often, along with the absurdly named "master's league". These mobs of lessers choke the life out of the game; you can't even get a practice table when things are going full swing, but if you could, I promise you that the socialites milling around tables with their shitty bar food would have you saying 'excuse me, can i get in here right quick to take a shot?' nonstop.

I despise APA because I have watched it unfold; I have seen with my own two eyes the wickedness it has wrought.

I am not sure if the whole 7' table thing can be blamed entirely on leagues though. That may be due to a shortage of real men in this rotten, decaying, feminized, pretentious hypocritical culture.

If this is what 'saved pool' looks like, I say we go back and aim for a merciful death next time around.
Yeah,It’s those sissy BarBox players that are infiltrating every facet of our lives. Yes,they caused global warming,helped North Korea get nukes, and may be responsible for acne. Fortunately Juan is here to save the women and children. It’s like a zombie apocalypse.😄😄
 
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SBC

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Get over yourself. I play on both 9’ and 7’ why? because, both of them help you to be a better pool player. Whether it’s a shorter shot on a smaller table or a longer shot on a big table. Yes I agree it is a more satisfying game on the big table, but you can still learn to play well on a small table and you can you use that to learn how to play smaller/shorter shots or shape by playing on a small table. You can use that knowledge to play smaller/shorter shots or shape on a big table. Don’t get me wrong everyone knows they got to take the longer shot some time but you can learn to shorten that shot If you play on a smaller table. For Fuc$ sake some of you people seem to not like pool at all. Just play on whatever and have fun. Be happy to be able to play on both and put your ego aside. You can still learn and be happy on a smaller table if you don’t have a stick up your ass. Some of you die hards for the 9’ only, I want to play on the small table just to see what you can do on the kids table as some call it. Would you be able to compete with Shane or orcollo in a race to 100 on the little table? That’s what I thought…. then STFU and play some pool on whatever and get better at whatever. Love pool however it is and support it. Otherwise it will die with all the asshole rules here that you can’t play or pool is going to die if you play on a certain table GTFOH. Pool is going to die because of your piss poor attitudes.
That's it... settle in order to save pool.
 

Poolplaya9

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Does insurance make you whole or do they consider that an "act of God"?
All the ins and outs would take a bit and you should definitely read and understand your insurance policy (it is a contract between you and your insurer that explicitly lays out everything that would and would not be covered in great detail with very little gray area), but in general damages caused by a hurricane are covered outside of ground water damage. For ground water, aka flooding, you need to have a flood policy. Anybody living in an area that can flood, and doesn't have a flood policy, is asking for major trouble/a major loss. Same with anybody that doesn't make it a point to read and understand in advance what their policy does and does not cover so they can adjust coverage as needed.
 
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fastone371

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All the ins and outs would take a bit and you should definitely read and understand your insurance policy (it is a contract between you and your insurer that explicitly lays out everything that would and would not be covered in great detail with very little gray area), but in general damages caused by a hurricane are covered outside of ground water damage. For ground water, aka flooding, you need to have a flood policy. Anybody living in an area that can flood, and doesn't have a flood policy, is asking for major trouble/a major loss. Same with anybody that doesn't make it a point to read and understand in advance what their policy does and does not cover so they can adjust coverage as needed.
Yeah, I'm aware of the flood thing, I just didnt know what the typical stance was on hurricanes as we have tornados up here but no hurricanes. To simplify if you have damage from rain and wind you should be protected even without flood insurance??
 

MattPoland

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7’ tables aren’t the cause; they’re the symptom. The equipment follows commercial viability follows interest. Other forms of entertainment have won the attention of yesterday’s and today’s kids. The places that seem to thrive with pool are places that feel like they’re a decade or two behind cultural digital trends (or places with a big enough population to let the bell curve support them). Could you imagine Willie Mosconi with his nose in his phone watching TikTok videos all day?
 

garczar

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7’ tables aren’t the cause; they’re the symptom. The equipment follows commercial viability follows interest. Other forms of entertainment have won the attention of yesterday’s and today’s kids. The places that seem to thrive with pool are places that feel like they’re a decade or two behind cultural digital trends (or places with a big enough population to let the bell curve support them). Could you imagine Willie Mosconi with his nose in his phone watching TikTok videos all day?
Don't know how long you've been playing but in my area(Ok,Ks,Tx,Mo,Iowa) bar tables have been the norm for 30+yrs. They made/make room owners lots of $$ per sq.ft. of floor space. Plus they are EASIER to play on for recreational players. 'Cultural digital trends' is not why little tables are so numerous and popular.
 
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