Perception in CTE Pro 1

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Nick Rubell
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Stan,

While trying to get more information I watched 2 videos on CTE Pro 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKAP8iR3Lw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Psy5hOJT0

So, perception is not behind center to edge and it is not behind edge to "A", so what is it? As I understand it is between???

Is it somehow connected to the pocket or the contact point? In the videos you are saying all these balls will be pocketed into the same pocket, which means the cut angle will be different, which means in the recipe there must be something else that would force me to change my perception and as I understand the cut angle.



And it looks I am missing it. I am missing the final ingredient what makes these angles different.

Nick
 
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rubell said:
Stan,

While trying to get more information I watched 2 videos on CTE Pro 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAKAP8iR3Lw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1Psy5hOJT0

So, perception is not behind center to edge and it is not behind edge to "A", so what is it? As I understand it is between???

Is it somehow connected to the pocket or the contact point? In the videos you are saying all these balls will be pocketed into the same pocket, which means the cut angle will be different, which means in the recipe there must be something else that would force me to change my perception and as I understand the cut angle.



And it looks I am missing it. I am missing the final ingredient what makes these angles different.

Nick
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You are correct you are not directly behind CTEL or A/B/C. You need to be at a slight offset to CTEL, and A/B/C gives you this offset. Both lines look right from only one position.

As for the ingredient, it is all about perception. On each of those shots, although CTEL and A are the same visual, they give you a slightly different starting offset on each shot. This is due to how we perceive the CB/OB on the rectangular table. There is no known math behind this, but observation at the table is easy to see and demonstrate.
 
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What does it mean "look right"? How do I know what is right and what is wrong before I shot the ball?
 
rubell said:
What shall be used as a guidance then? What to look for?
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rubell said:
What does it mean "look right"? How do I know what is right and what is wrong before I shot the ball?
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I suppose I could say something like "straddle them". But, just go to the table. Align CTEL and A. You will see what looks right. If you go too far left or right, one or both lines will fall out of the perception. This works better through experience than just being told how to do it, IMHO. It's like learning to golf or ride a bike. Experience is the teacher here. I'm constantly working on perceptions for different shot situations myself.

I also think Stan did an excellent job on these videos explaining the very questions you are asking. Watch them and listen carefully. And of course, back them up with the information from DVD 1, you have to know that first.
 
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Still it would be nice to know what to look for, what "fall out of perception" means.
 
rubell said:
Still it would be nice to know what to look for, what "fall out of perception" means.
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It means your perception on CTEL and/or your perception on A/B/C will no longer be locked in. You have to take this to the table and practice to get your mind working with it, you can't just read posts here and expect to go to the table and everything magically works. I certainly understood very little when I first started with it, so I just rolled through the steps until it clicked. It will come with practice, you have to put forth the effort.
 
I would try exactly what Stan does in those videos. Start with center-to-center using your best visual perspective, then rotate around the cueball until you find the CB edge to A/B/C, then look for the CTEL perception while still able to see A/B/C. Lock that in.
 
These support videos are outstanding.
Picking up the visuals is pretty easy with 2 lines, I've found that the moving into while moving slightly left or right of the CTE line the hardest part.
I have not given up on Pro One but it does take effort on my part as far as practice is concerned.
 
Honestly it is easier said than done. I do not know what "lock", "perception", "center" mean. Too ambiguous for me. What shall I take into account when I am trying to get the perception? The angle? The contact point? Where the object ball is? How is it different if another ball hides part of the pocket and I need to be more precise to aim to another free side? Believe me, I tried to follow instructions. It is just I have more questions than answers.
 
Those are the best support videos I've seen Stan do, outstanding! He is explaining what I believe is the toughest part of his aiming system to grasp. Very well done Stan!
 
rubell said:
Honestly it is easier said than done. I do not know what "lock", "perception", "center" mean. Too ambiguous for me. What shall I take into account when I am trying to get the perception? The angle? The contact point? Where the object ball is? How is it different if another ball hides part of the pocket and I need to be more precise to aim to another free side? Believe me, I tried to follow instructions. It is just I have more questions than answers.
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Don't bother with angle and contact point. Go to the table, set CB/OB on the table with a known shot (CTEL/A for example) and then try to line up the perception, see what you get.

As for favoring one side of the pocket, you have to make those adjustments yourself. CTE is a center pocket system. You get lined up to center pocket first, then you make your own adjustments as required. This does not differ from other types of aiming systems.
 
I guess the strength of the method is to have the same shot over and over again once the body is positioned correctly. I even do not think the geometry of the table matters much. It is developing of perception based on experience.
 
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rubell said:
I guess the strength of the method is to have the same shot over and over again once the body is positioned correctly. I even do not think the geometry of the table matters much. It is developing of perception based on experience.
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Once you have the body position, you are correct that the sweep and shot are the same. As for geometry of the table, that is really the meat of the system. You practice the system with known shots and learn to make them connect with the pocket. Once that becomes automatic, you can then take these same perceptions to longer tougher shots, or shots where the pocket is not necessarily in plain view such a thinner cuts and bank shots. Once you get the fundamentals working, it works all over the table. This greatly simplifies the game when shots you might be unfamiliar or less comfortable with work with the same systematic approach.
 
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Once you have the body position, you are correct that the sweep and shot are the same. As for geometry of the table, that is really the meat of the system. You practice the system with known shots and learn to make them connect with the pocket. Once that becomes automatic, you can then take these same perceptions to longer tougher shots, or shots where the pocket is not necessarily in plain view such a thinner cuts and bank shots. Once you get the fundamentals working, it works all over the table. This greatly simplifies the game when shots you might be unfamiliar or less comfortable with work with the same systematic approach.
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I think I nailed it at a pool table today. Here is my experience.

The method actually can be described using a diagram. One just needs a 3D modeling tool.The key is to accept that this is an intuitive method where "adjustment", actually what Stan calls "offset" is present in the system which creates different angles.

Then the rest is simple. The whole pre-shot routine can be replaced by any other good pre-shot routine (e.g. I learned mine from CJ Wiley's the Ultimate course) as well as a shooting method.

Memorizing to what point to connect (A,B,C, etc.) is not important either. It can be easily determined from practice. If the point is wrong, it will just not look feasible (or right).

Having two alignment lines is important however. In all my imagination process I felt I could lock lines much easier and keep space orientation awareness when I move. I might say having just one line does not feel stable for me.

Once the shooting line is found, the rest is a matter of technique. I think the word "perception" is the right word here. At some point of my body alignment I see a path, a vector, a tunnel where to shoot. After that it is just a matter of executing the plan.

And the last. once I am at the position I aim and look at the cue ball only, ignoring the rest.
 
rubell said:
I think I nailed it at a pool table today. Here is my experience.

The method actually can be described using a diagram. One just needs a 3D modeling tool.The key is to accept that this is an intuitive method where "adjustment", actually what Stan calls "offset" is present in the system which creates different angles.

Then the rest is simple. The whole pre-shot routine can be replaced by any other good pre-shot routine (e.g. I learned mine from CJ Wiley's the Ultimate course) as well as a shooting method.

Memorizing to what point to connect (A,B,C, etc.) is not important either. It can be easily determined from practice. If the point is wrong, it will just not look feasible (or right).

Having two alignment lines is important however. In all my imagination process I felt I could lock lines much easier and keep space orientation awareness when I move. I might say having just one line does not feel stable for me.

Once the shooting line is found, the rest is a matter of technique. I think the word "perception" is the right word here. At some point of my body alignment I see a path, a vector, a tunnel where to shoot. After that it is just a matter of executing the plan.

And the last. once I am at the position I aim and look at the cue ball only, ignoring the rest.
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Sounds pretty spot on :) The "adjustment" as you say, is always a 1/2 tip pivot away (or sweep) from the shot line.
 
Mohrt, I don't use half tip or pivot. Somehow the brain connects all parts of the puzzle anyway and I see the shot line. :-)
 
Stan, all 3 perception videos are very good. I'm assuming that on video 2 all the shots lined up exactly the same but instead going to the right. Would be ctel & ob edge to C with a right sweep. If you could do a short video on the perception for the same set ups with the right sweep, it would be appreciated. It's hard for me to do the sweeps correctly. I still use manual, every time I think I've got the sweeps down for just using pro one, I screw it up. It's coming up on 2 years since I came by you and alot of my initial problem was determining which eye to use. And I put in a lot of hours. I've looked at pro 1 video numerous times. If you look at your itraders, I was the first to leave you one. So you know I try this all the time. It seems like I'm doing something wrong. For some reason I don't pivot to the correct side and I miss the shot badly. One of these
days it's going to click. Appreciate all the information that everyone posts.
 
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Stan, all 3 perception videos are very good. I'm assuming that on video 2 all the shots lined up exactly the same but instead going to the right. Would be ctel & ob edge to C with a right sweep. If you could do a short video on the perception for the same set ups with the right sweep, it would be appreciated. It's hard for me to do the sweeps correctly. I still use manual, every time I think I've got the sweeps down for just using pro one, I screw it up. It's coming up on 2 years since I came by you and alot of my initial problem was determining which eye to use. And I put in a lot of hours. I've looked at pro 1 video numerous times. If you look at your itraders, I was the first to leave you one. So you know I try this all the time. It seems like I'm doing something wrong. For some reason I don't pivot to the correct side and I miss the shot badly. One of these
days it's going to click. Appreciate all the information that everyone posts.
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I will put your request on my list. If I understand your request correctly, you're wanting me to shoot a couple of shots to the right using C and right sweeps.

Stan Shuffett
 
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