Perimeter vs Lite Systems

There’s no doubt the perimeter lights provide bright, even lighting to the much needed corners of the table compared to the old ‘can’ style. And this would be the #1 reason for me to upgrade.

However, there’s something aesthetically pleasing about playing in a room where light is focused on the table and not necessarily the surroundings.

Here’s an example of concern. While my room isn’t nearly this cluttered, I don’t need peripheral vision distracted by bookshelves and random collections while shooting.

Maybe overthinking this. Or is the increased light that bleeds into the room a non-factor?

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There’s no doubt the perimeter lights provide bright, even lighting to the much needed corners of the table compared to the old ‘can’ style. And this would be the #1 reason for me to upgrade.

However, there’s something aesthetically pleasing about playing in a room where light is focused on the table and not necessarily the surroundings.

Here’s an example of concern. While my room isn’t nearly this cluttered, I don’t need peripheral vision distracted by bookshelves and random collections while shooting.

Maybe overthinking this. Or is the increased light that bleeds into the room a non-factor?

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While no one will argue that the "after" photo is certainly brighter. I would consider that installation/application a failure. Although definitely darker over all. At least the original single panel wasn't creating shadows under the rails.

Owner would have been better off finding a single panel with higher lumens, imo.

Not sure if there's such a thing, but a perimeter light with parabolic lens to focus the light on the surface of the table would probably be the best things since sliced bread.
 
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There’s no doubt the perimeter lights provide bright, even lighting to the much needed corners of the table compared to the old ‘can’ style. And this would be the #1 reason for me to upgrade.

However, there’s something aesthetically pleasing about playing in a room where light is focused on the table and not necessarily the surroundings.

Here’s an example of concern. While my room isn’t nearly this cluttered, I don’t need peripheral vision distracted by bookshelves and random collections while shooting.

Maybe overthinking this. Or is the increased light that bleeds into the room a non-factor?

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I have a perimeter light. I'm currently in a "prototyping" stage with it. I took the boxes off of a few "fridge pack" cases of soda and cut them in half. I then set them on top of the lights. Basically it's about a 6" piece of cardboard that hangs flush with the outside of the fixture. It has no discernible light loss on the table, but is much nicer on the eyes and cuts down on light bleed a lot.

I'm debating on if I should ask my wife, who's into sewing, to make a "curtain" to go around the outside or if I should get some of the pink sheets of foam, paint them flat black, and mount them to the light/ceiling around the light. I love my light but this little mod makes a world of difference. The balls still have rectangles, nothing on the table is changed, but it's way less eyestrain from looking at the lights from the chair and such.
 
I have the nine ft. perimeter and am very happy. Great table coverage, well lit and very easy to install. Great value.
 
I have a perimeter light. I'm currently in a "prototyping" stage with it. I took the boxes off of a few "fridge pack" cases of soda and cut them in half. I then set them on top of the lights. Basically it's about a 6" piece of cardboard that hangs flush with the outside of the fixture. It has no discernible light loss on the table, but is much nicer on the eyes and cuts down on light bleed a lot.

I'm debating on if I should ask my wife, who's into sewing, to make a "curtain" to go around the outside or if I should get some of the pink sheets of foam, paint them flat black, and mount them to the light/ceiling around the light. I love my light but this little mod makes a world of difference. The balls still have rectangles, nothing on the table is changed, but it's way less eyestrain from looking at the lights from the chair and such.
I was just in Greece and saw a light I've never seen before. It had 6 LED panels, approx 1' x 2' each (might have been metric equivalents). 3 per side, and they were angled slightly towards each other (like the Matchroom professional panels). Around the perimeter, was a cloth tassel about 4" long hanging down. It was super comfortable being in the chair and looking at the table. I'll make a thread about them later and share pictures when I get organized.
 
I have the nine ft. perimeter and am very happy. Great table coverage, well lit and very easy to install. Great value.
You sponsored...? First time I've heard of anyone calling these systems a great value. Considering you can get 80% of the diy way there for 1/10th the cost.

"there" = bright and full lighting
 
I was just in Greece and saw a light I've never seen before. It had 6 LED panels, approx 1' x 2' each (might have been metric equivalents). 3 per side, and they were angled slightly towards each other (like the Matchroom professional panels). Around the perimeter, was a cloth tassel about 4" long hanging down. It was super comfortable being in the chair and looking at the table. I'll make a thread about them later and share pictures when I get organized.
Looking forward to it. Currently it looks trashy as it's just soda cartons, but it really does make the room more pleasant without sacrificing table lighting.
 
I bought a perimeter style light from someone on AZB who was making them ( @songj2096 ) and have been very happy with it. Might not be the same level of fit and finish as the $1,000 lights but close enough for half the price of those lights.
 
I have a perimeter light. I'm currently in a "prototyping" stage with it. I took the boxes off of a few "fridge pack" cases of soda and cut them in half. I then set them on top of the lights. Basically it's about a 6" piece of cardboard that hangs flush with the outside of the fixture. It has no discernible light loss on the table, but is much nicer on the eyes and cuts down on light bleed a lot.

I'm debating on if I should ask my wife, who's into sewing, to make a "curtain" to go around the outside or if I should get some of the pink sheets of foam, paint them flat black, and mount them to the light/ceiling around the light. I love my light but this little mod makes a world of difference. The balls still have rectangles, nothing on the table is changed, but it's way less eyestrain from looking at the lights from the chair and such.
I'm thinking the same things you are - I'm just a few months behind you (I've not bought the light yet, but it's looking like I'm likely to get one as my wife objects to the 'traditional' hanging pool light, because it interferes with playing ping-pong when we put on the ping-pong top we also got with our table. Compromises...

So I'm deciding between a full panel (which I'm less fond of, but it's hard to argue with the economics), or one of the premade lights like perimiterlights, knowing I can make it myself for less, but also that my time ain't free.

I've worked with the pink foam extensively, though for hobby purposes: It can work, make sure you paint it with an acrylic paint. The thing is.. the foam lacks durability. You may be able to get it to work (and more power to you), but I 100% guarantee I would break it during installation, unless I were to do a composite laminate over the foam first (using fiberglass - or, if I were to get exotic and really wanted the look for an absurd amount of money, carbon fiber).

At that point, I may as well fab something completely custom like that sick looking hexagon light earlier in the thread.

For a sewn skirt, leather (natural or PU) would make a nice aesthetic, with the advantage of being highly opaque. Paint/dye the inside black so it's also reducing glare, and that would work out pretty nicely.

I would love to see pictures of what the light being cast *around* the table looks like - because I'm not thrilled about the idea of having the perimeter light cast huge amounts of light far & wide around the table.

My ideal would be to somehow have a light that was in the ceiling (as my wife demands) but somehow didn't cast light to the sides of the pool table. Physics be damned. 🤪. Back in the real world, the skirt seems like an idea that can work.
 
I am remiss in updating this.

The deciding factor for me (between Perimeter and Lite Systems) was color temperature. This room will be in my home where all lighting is in the 2300-3000K range, and a cold bluish light would have been quite out of place. And the Perimeter system was not available in different color temperatures.

I could have done the LED panel thing and that might have been a decent solution, but HVAC vents and electrical placement was going to make that a bit difficult to do easily (and lack of attic access to remedy same). So... Lite Systems.

Ordering was easy, I quickly got a ship date, he nailed it +/- a holiday that landed near it. It arrived in packaging that left it well protected though incredibly hard to take apart - lots of individual pieces of cardboard with heavy, heavy layers of hard tape. But it worked. It would have been ugly if I needed to rebox and ship back though.

For those who want to cut to the bottom line here's what I ended up with.

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And here's what the shadows look like - pretty much as advertised, free of significant shadows. It might be a bit better if a bit larger, but pretty nice. (More in next post, not sure how many photos I can put in one).

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On the good side -- the light when assembled is solid, easy to hang and level, no sag, the lighting is even between segments throughout the dimming range, and the dimming range is decent (it would be nice to go a bit lower, but it is a really goodly range). It uses a 0-10v dimmer which would have been trivial to set up if I had not bought a defective one. I thought the LED drivers were unusual in some way, but my dinner was just broken. Ordered a new one, all fixed.

Aside -- the unit comes with a plastic box and manual knob-based dimmer. All the lights in my house are computer controlled so I wanted a different one. Anyway...

In doing all this I dug deeper into the drivers than one normally would, and I think they use good quality, relatively expensive stuff. That's another reason the lighting stays even throughout the diming range around the fixture.

The mounts (you can see in the first shot) are thin plastic coated metal wire that go through a small gripping "nipple" at the top. You can pull the wire through, or push in on the nipple and pull it back to adjust, then when settled cut the wires. These were fairly easy to adjust though it takes a lot of back and forth to get the tension equal (the fixture is not flexible so all that happens is some wires are taught, some slack). I purposely put them in a bit so that it would be self-stabalizing and would not swing (and recommend that -- if you mount them directly above the fixed it will be easy to swing a bit.

So... I'm fairly pleased. But it's only fair to talk about the mediocre part.

Putting this together is straightforward but incredibly tedious. Each of the 8 joints have 4 flat strips held by 4 screws each -- so 128 tiny set screws. That's not the bad part -- the bad part is they are INSIDE the tube, difficult to reach with an Allen wrench (and for the top side require peeling back the plastic cover). Nothing difficult here -- but VERY tedious and takes hours and hours to do carefully.

And you need to be careful, and keep everything square, so you minimize light leaks. And repeat after me "I only need to do this once... I only need to do this once...".

Also in the mediocre part is the power cord -- it's a pretty heavy black cord. Wish it had been something smaller and less obvious. In mine I covered it with white braid to try to blend to the ceiling (which is fairly effective, you can see above, it's approximately dead center above).

And the bad part:

This is well made, very precisely cut, absolutely no issues with the machine shop work, but the design needs work. The joints are butted flat against each other, and it is nearly impossible to get both sides sealed enough to prevent light leaks. Here is an example. The joints need some kind of overlapping tongue-in-grove or similar setup.

In the worst cases I went inside and put black electrical tape over the joint inside to keep the light from coming out; in daylight with the light off though there's some shiny aluminum you can see from the edges. These are painted (powder coat I think), not anodized -- if they were anodized after machining instead, that aspect would go away, but the light leak would remain.

I asked about it, and the vendor was nice enough to send a 3D printed seal to go over the joints -- but it sticks out, to me it ruined the simple and clean look of the light. So I'm living with some light leaks. You don't notice them playing, only when you look closely at the light.

But...

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I actually find this more annoying than the aluminum fit - -the plastic covers depend on snapping into a ridged area and fitting exactly. And they don't always especially where you have to open it up to put in the set screws and then put it back. I don't know plastics, so this may be difficult to really fix. But it is annoying, and is a bit more visible if you glance up at the light.

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Again -- overall I'm pleased. It is definitely better looking than I could have done with 2x4 panels, especially if I tried to hang them. The light is even and can be plenty bright (and controllably bright). Unless your attention is called to the light directly you do not notice these little issues. And if your ceilings are high (mine are very low) you can raise it a bit and make it less visible as well.

Also -- having not seen the Perimeter light I have no idea if this build quality is better, worse of the same. In my case color temperature was the deciding factor.

Incidentally -- the support for questions and concerns was excellent - fast replies, seemingly any time of day, and a clear inclination to do all they could to solve any problems. Could not be more happy in that regard.
 
i would find it annoying with a shadow line down the rails. i have just one 2 by 4 foot led 5000k light directly above the table and its great. at least for me.
plus i dont want it too bright as it isnt in pool rooms.
nice setup you have.
 
I was just in Greece and saw a light I've never seen before. It had 6 LED panels, approx 1' x 2' each (might have been metric equivalents). 3 per side, and they were angled slightly towards each other (like the Matchroom professional panels). Around the perimeter, was a cloth tassel about 4" long hanging down. It was super comfortable being in the chair and looking at the table. I'll make a thread about them later and share pictures when I get organized.
I've seen what you are describing in a couple streams on YT but have never once seen or heard a name of the company that makes them. Any ideas? I find the design to be intriguing and it seems like a truly great idea.
 
I've seen what you are describing in a couple streams on YT but have never once seen or heard a name of the company that makes them. Any ideas? I find the design to be intriguing and it seems like a truly great idea.
I just made a thread about them:

 
I am remiss in updating this.

The deciding factor for me (between Perimeter and Lite Systems) was color temperature. This room will be in my home where all lighting is in the 2300-3000K range, and a cold bluish light would have been quite out of place. And the Perimeter system was not available in different color temperatures.

I could have done the LED panel thing and that might have been a decent solution, but HVAC vents and electrical placement was going to make that a bit difficult to do easily (and lack of attic access to remedy same). So... Lite Systems.

Ordering was easy, I quickly got a ship date, he nailed it +/- a holiday that landed near it. It arrived in packaging that left it well protected though incredibly hard to take apart - lots of individual pieces of cardboard with heavy, heavy layers of hard tape. But it worked. It would have been ugly if I needed to rebox and ship back though.

For those who want to cut to the bottom line here's what I ended up with.

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And here's what the shadows look like - pretty much as advertised, free of significant shadows. It might be a bit better if a bit larger, but pretty nice. (More in next post, not sure how many photos I can put in one).

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I was ready to purchase one, but your posts have me reconsidering. I never thought about rail shadows before I came to AZ (thanks a lot) but those look pretty significant. Will that happen with most any lights?

Also, can anyone compare these to Diamond lights, as far as shadows and brightness?

Thanks in advance!
 
I was ready to purchase one, but your posts have me reconsidering. I never thought about rail shadows before I came to AZ (thanks a lot) but those look pretty significant. Will that happen with most any lights?

Also, can anyone compare these to Diamond lights, as far as shadows and brightness?

Thanks in advance!
If the lights are lower, they can shine under the nose of the cushion. The perimeter lights may light up the top of the cushion directly below, but may shine under the noise of the cushion on the other side of the table. I don't mind the aesthetics of the shadow but with dark cloth it can be hard to see the edge of balls frozen to the rails.
 
I picked up the Perimeter light. At 56” above the table I get 900-1000 lux across the table which seems bright enough considering the WPA recommends only 517 minimum.

What height are other perimeter style light owners setting theirs to? I was think raising another 5” to the max 60” height as advised by the manufacturer.
 
Followup, I made a post earlier in this thread saying these perimeter lights are a step backwards due to not having a grate, resulting in way too much side glare when walking around a room.

I was at Iron City Billiards in Birmingham this weekend, and they had all Perimeter lights. They were hung higher than the room I was at before in Philadelphia. They were way better higher up. Much more comfortable walking around the room, and the tables were still penalty bright.
 
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