PfD CuE fOr S@LE !!!

The process of ordering a cue can become rather personal, all the emails back and forth, perhaps a visit to the shop, friendly conversations that often lead to a form of friendship between customer and cuemaker.

Most likey the cuemaker envisions the customer actually playing with the cue that spun in his lathe...unless the customer is a dealer, in which case it should be made known that the cue will be turning hands after delivery.

Not saying that that's what happened here, but if a customer is not upfront about his plans for selling the cue when placing the order, that is somewhat dishonest imo and any irritation on the cuemaker's part is reasonable.

Roger
 
Since Benny had paid for the cue and it belongs to him, i think tat give him the right to keep, trade or sell the cue..

Back to main topic, PFD FOR SALE! :)
 
I am not offended by his selling the cue - it is his to do with as he pleases. But when a cuemaker does more than the customer ordered and paid for, as a way of showing his appreciation, only to have the customer turn around within a month and sell it (as he has done with several other makers) . . . well forgive me for seeing a pattern - clearly this cue was NOT for him - and wishing him better luck next time was not "sour grapes" only a sincere wish that he might find another maker who will make him happy . . . perhaps an impossible task given his past transactions.
 
Although I think that once a guy pays for a new custom cue, it's his right to sell the cue if he wishes to do so. However, when a guy appears to be ordering his own personal playing cue, but actually has the intentions of selling the cue at a profit upon completion, I think it's an insult to the cue maker. In my opinion, the best of the best cue makers take great pride, and considerable care into making that particular cue for Joe Blow just the way he wants it. Isn't that why we go custom instead of factory? So when cue makers go through all the trouble to find that perfect piece of bem, old growth shaft material, pre ban ivory, and all the extra crap because the customer wants his cue that way, to find out the cue has been sold without being given a decent test run, and to also have knowedge that the same guy has done the same thing to other cue makers in recently, I think the maker has every right to be a little pissed. If only there were a way to determine the intentions of the customer, I would be all for a different pricing set up for customers buying a personal cue, or buying just to sell it. If you want to become a dealer, you should make the deal with the maker, and commit the cash to buy more than just one cue.
dave
 
I have a hard time believing people will order fancy cues, with exotic woods and no wraps, with the intention of of using them as "playing" cues.

They are either buying them for A. an investment, or B. a quick profit. Both of these intentions involve reselling the cue, just a faster sell for b.

So when cue makers get a customer ordering a very fancy cue, do they really believe they are buying the cue to actually use.

I understand the fancy cues bring in more money but when did cue making turn into selling artwork on wood? When did the first question asked turn into "How many inlays?", instead of "How does it play?".
 
Jeff said:
I have a hard time believing people will order fancy cues, with exotic woods and no wraps, with the intention of of using them as "playing" cues.
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I dont believe this to be true. I know plenty of people with really fancy wrapless cues with exotic woods that they play with everytime they play.
 
cgriffin5 said:
I dont believe this to be true. I know plenty of people with really fancy wrapless cues with exotic woods that they play with everytime they play.
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I don't know any and have never seen any. Of course, it's highly possible that some people do. How many people do you know that will take a chance of dropping or banging a 2,000 dollar plus stick. They must have a lot more money than me.

I would still bet you that the "high" majority of people with "fancy" Tads, Southwest's, Szamboti's, and tascarella's use other cues to play with.
 
That is probably true. But a fancy wrapless cue from a cuemaker whose name isnt as big as those you mentioned like Skip Weston, BCM, Phillippi, etc I see all the time.
 
Jeff said:
I don't know any and have never seen any. Of course, it's highly possible that some people do. How many people do you know that will take a chance of dropping or banging a 2,000 dollar plus stick. They must have a lot more money than me.

I would still bet you that the "high" majority of people with "fancy" Tads, Southwest's, Szamboti's, and tascarella's use other cues to play with.
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Not sure if this qualifies as fancy but

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I played with this extensively for 7 months before I got my searing. I had been wanting this exact model since '88 and 2 places that it never gets taken out is A. A bar or B. When consuming adult beverages (Plural being the key word:D ) It's in mint condition with no dings on either shaft or butt. And whether it's the bathroom at the pool hall (and believe me I hear the snickering and comments but I always shoot right back with "would you leave your wallet full of cash sitting on the bar while you headed to the bathroom...and haven't heard a yes yet), movie theater, McDonald's, The strip cl...uhh I mean a Gentleman's establishment, where I go it goes (This rule of course now applies to my searing). I guess it reminds me of the scene in Ferris beuller's day off where ferris is trying to take the ferrari into the city and cameron replies with "You don't understand ferris...he never drives it...he just rubs it with a diaper" IMO In the pool world you have collectors who buy a fancy cue from (insert your top cuemaker here) and then proceed to put it on a shelf. Then you have players who are looking for in addition to a great hitting cue, perhaps they like nice looking/fancy things in other areas of their life so they want a cue with a little flash. I guess in my mind i just think that cars are meant to be driven, cues are meant to be played with, and art is meant to hang on a wall.:)
 
Getnbzy said:
I guess in my mind i just think that cars are meant to be driven, cues are meant to be played with, and art is meant to hang on a wall.:)
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I couldn't agree more. :)

And by the way, that's one pretty stick. :)
 
TyrLeon said:
I don't know all the details of this story, but what I can say is that anyone contemplating doing business with Paul will be happy if they do. I can only speak for my experiences with him. He is very passionate about his work and a pleasure to deal with. He is also willing to talk to you and explain any questions that you may have....not a quality that you find in everyone.
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I dont know Paul real well as I only met him once.
Seemed like a nice enough guy to me.
I did have a PFD cue and liked it very much.
Just from the body of his work as a cuemaker I would agree that his stuff is top notch.
I am sure there is more to the story and am equaly sure it aint none of my business anyhow.

Willee
 
Jeff said:
I have a hard time believing people will order fancy cues, with exotic woods and no wraps, with the intention of of using them as "playing" cues.

They are either buying them for A. an investment, or B. a quick profit. Both of these intentions involve reselling the cue, just a faster sell for b.

So when cue makers get a customer ordering a very fancy cue, do they really believe they are buying the cue to actually use.

I understand the fancy cues bring in more money but when did cue making turn into selling artwork on wood? When did the first question asked turn into "How many inlays?", instead of "How does it play?".
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Good point.
I doubt that Southwest has any feelings about most of their cues being ordered as investments.
Making a custom cue for someone is a tricky business.
There is no garentee the person will like the cue once it is finished.
Hopefully the buyer would work with the cuemaker to see if it can be tuned in to his personal preferences but my experience, limited as it is, had been thet the cue gets sold to someone else and the cuemaker never hears from that person again.
I would 10 times over rather sell a cue to someone AFTER he has played with it and decided it is suited to him, than to make a new custom cue for him.

Willee
 
Jeff said:
I have a hard time believing people will order fancy cues, with exotic woods and no wraps, with the intention of of using them as "playing" cues.
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Many, many people play with $2K+ cues. I know a lot of players that do. The Derby City Classic was proof of that. I saw a ton of guys (and ladies) playing with cues I know were worth well over $2k. Heck, anyone playing with a Southwest is in that category. Oscar Dominguez was playing with an Ed Prewitt that was easily worth $5K+. There was a young Asian woman playing with what I believed to be a Gina, and if it was it would be at least $5K. I played a match with a guy who was playing with a Mottey which was worth $3K+. It is much more common than you seem to believe.
 
Jeff said:
I don't know any and have never seen any. Of course, it's highly possible that some people do. How many people do you know that will take a chance of dropping or banging a 2,000 dollar plus stick. They must have a lot more money than me.
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Well, if you ding up a $4000 Mottey it costs about 2-3 bills to refinish...the same if you ding up a $500 coker. Unless you're prone to chucking your cue across the room, I don't see the dollar amount as an issue in this context.

Of course you said "drop," and I've never dropped a cue in my life. If you play on concrete that might be an issue, lol.

-Roger (I love all my cues, and a scratch or ding on any of them will hurt me equally...ouch!)
 
pdrexler said:
I am not offended by his selling the cue - it is his to do with as he pleases. But when a cuemaker does more than the customer ordered and paid for, as a way of showing his appreciation, only to have the customer turn around within a month and sell it (as he has done with several other makers) . . . well forgive me for seeing a pattern - clearly this cue was NOT for him - and wishing him better luck next time was not "sour grapes" only a sincere wish that he might find another maker who will make him happy . . . perhaps an impossible task given his past transactions.
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IMO that's the feeling I get aswell...and it would mean no big deal either....perhaps he is seeking that elusive utopian cue...and might go through dozens before he finds it....:D
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Getnbzy said:
Not sure if this qualifies as fancy but
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cues are meant to be played with, and art is meant to hang on a wall.
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look at the getnbzyman on the pics!!! WOW!
you can play with the cue and hang the pics on the wall! :cool:


btw pfd i think your grapes were a little sour
 
Jeff said:
I don't know any and have never seen any. Of course, it's highly possible that some people do. How many people do you know that will take a chance of dropping or banging a 2,000 dollar plus stick. They must have a lot more money than me.

I would still bet you that the "high" majority of people with "fancy" Tads, Southwest's, Szamboti's, and tascarella's use other cues to play with.
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Here in Japan, which I admit is a place where things are out of hand, it's hard to walk into a 'players' room and find a cue that cost less than $2,000. I play with a cue that cost well over $2,000, and I take it to the Philippines and the US with me. $2,000 is not alot to pay for a custom cue in my opinion, and a cue in that price range is definately for playing, not sitting in a display case. I'd have to pay well over $5,000 for a cue with designs that would make it literally embarrasing to pull out of the case before I would consider it a 'non-player' display case cue.
dave
 
Tokyo-dave said:
Here in Japan, which I admit is a place where things are out of hand, it's hard to walk into a 'players' room and find a cue that cost less than $2,000. I play with a cue that cost well over $2,000, and I take it to the Philippines and the US with me. $2,000 is not alot to pay for a custom cue in my opinion, and a cue in that price range is definately for playing, not sitting in a display case. I'd have to pay well over $5,000 for a cue with designs that would make it literally embarrasing to pull out of the case before I would consider it a 'non-player' display case cue.
dave
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In Japan, rumor has it even the broom the cleaners used in the pool hall, had to have ivory handle and inlays.
 
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