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Jamison,
Thank you so much for this thread- it has been a long time since i've seen a thread that has this much to contribute to the pool world.
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My question is:would you describe your ideal masse cue-
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Gatz said:
I got a question for Mr. Masse then.

-I am curious as to why following through so much on the cue ball makes so much more draw/more spin. You have a video on Youtube that you explain, if you do not drop the elbow you will not get as much draw etc..Are you trying to keep the tip on the cueball longer?.

-Also where do you want most of your acceleration in a stroke, right before you hit the cueball would get maximum results?.

-What is the difference between someone who is punching the ball, and someone who is stroking the ball?. Is the person who is punching the ball, or jabbing the ball decelerating through the cueball?
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Well I'll try, I can draw the ball almost as far as Mike last time we tried to see who could draw better he got me by one foot...

For the best on the draw you need to find Larry Nevel he can spot me and Mike a few ft...3 ft or so last time I tried him. I think Larry post on here maybe he'll join this thread to answer this one...I would welcome his expert advise on how to draw the ball...I have had the lesson more than once in person.lol

The difference between the stroke and the poke...Well I have always thought that a stroke is a smooth action through the ball. The poke allthough very useful in some instances is a jerky motion...

Just like in most things in pool it is mostly about accuracy...Try this drill put a piece of paper on leaning on the cueball mark the spot you want to hit then hit the spot as hard as would try and draw the cue ball...you will see that the issue is that you can't hit the spot your aiming at...this is why the ball won't come back not cause of any other reason...

To quote the best ever not exact quote sry, I don't have my VCR anymore so I can't go look either

"The only thing that makes the ball draw is that you hit it at the bottom of the ball." Willie Mosconi

This I find to be very true! You can snap you can pop you can try and bring your arm back...ect no magic here. Just hit the cueball near the miscue spot on the bottom side accuratly and you will draw the ball. Well...as long as it is still spinning when it reaches the object ball.

The harder you hit it the more spin is obtained. The downside: you lose accuracy the harder you hit it. I hope this helps...Like I said if your ever given an oppertunity ask Larry to show you how to draw he knows how better than anyone I have ever saw.
 

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In the situation above playing One Pocket a masse shot could be used to make the One ball. What technique and cue would you use shooting on Simonis 860?
 
You have a better chance of kicking 2 rails to make the 1 than having a masse and possibly putting too much spin on it and having the cue ball follow the 1 into the pocket.
 
Originally Posted by JamisonNeu
I'm not Mike Masse. If he had trouble with a masse shot he would ask me...
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Sorry for the miscommunication. I must have let my mind run away again. I will find it i hope.
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I can see how you could be confused by Jamison's signature tag ("Mr. Masse"). You'd know the difference if you heard them - Jamison is Mr. mah-SAY and Mike Massey is Mr. MASS-ee.

Good to hear from you, Mr. mah-SAY.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
I can see how you could be confused by Jamison's signature tag ("Mr. Masse"). You'd know the difference if you heard them - Jamison is Mr. mah-SAY and Mike Massey is Mr. MASS-ee.

Good to hear from you, Mr. mah-SAY.

pj
chgo
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yea, It was kinda confusing. But I'm all better now. thanks.
 
jcommie said:
You have a better chance of kicking 2 rails to make the 1 than having a masse and possibly putting too much spin on it and having the cue ball follow the 1 into the pocket.
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My question was only about masse. If I had this situation exactly, I would bank the 2 ball back one rail into the 1 ball and leave shape on both the 2 and 3 ball. A miss on the 2 rail kick would leave your opponent a shot on the both the 2 and the 3.
 
breakshot said:
Jamison,
Thank you so much for this thread- it has been a long time since i've seen a thread that has this much to contribute to the pool world.
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My question is:would you describe your ideal masse cue-QUOTE]

http://www.cuemaker.com/massegallery.htm
about half way down it describes my ideal masse cue...I have made some updates and like I said as I get older I am adapting my equipment...It grows as I do is how I look at it.


weight= I currently have a cue that has the capability of being five cues...
I use an interchangable weight system the cue can be 22,24,26,28,30,and 32 oz. well I guess that is six different masse cues. I normaly use the big one. I used to try all the different ones this was stregth training...
length= Well my cue today is longer than most masse cues by about 6 inches...I think Dieckman says they are 48 inches in length.

weight distrubution= If the wieght is front of your hand it is easier to swing the cue straight?? Once you start downward it helps to have the weight between your hands.

shaft diameter=??? bigger than most I guess it has a billiard type taper on it. A pure Cone looking taper!

tip size= I had some custom built for the cue...they are 15mm

tip hardness= not as hard as possible,but very hard.

ferrule= I was using brass ferrules It was a mistake...I recently switched back to synthetic ivory. They will break but not as often as other types of plastics...

joint= I have found the last one I will probably ever use G-10 Dieckman has put them in my playing cue and my masse cue...It is the best...

I hope this answers your post...
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That masse is one where I would try not to hit the table. A fast short swing is good on that one pocket masse.

I aim just like the one I diagramed before half the distance and pull up just try not to send the cue ball very far foward just alot of spin.

The method I stated about hitting fast and short is good stroke for this type of shot.

I read your post again to make sure I didn't forget something I did...I would try using a normal playing cue for a smaller masse like that one. 90 degrees and as soft and fast as I can...
 
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jcommie said:
You have a better chance of kicking 2 rails to make the 1 than having a masse and possibly putting too much spin on it and having the cue ball follow the 1 into the pocket.
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I tell you what I can make that masse pretty much everytime. I don't think it is the right shot here so we do agree on that...but the two railer???

The right shot there is to bank the three ball combo, send the cue ball towards the side pocket on his side. Hopefully ending with one ball (any one of the three) in hole and two balls to shoot at. I am probably not the guy to give one pocket advise...I am the king of the flyer...
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
I've read the BAR piece before. I was curious to know how Jamison aimed/executed his shots during normal play (to see if there was a different method among those who actually win masse championships).

Jamison - how does the BAR method differ from yours - or is it the same?

Dave
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Well I don't really want to comment about Daves work unless he asks me to say something about it I won't.

I just have always loved to do it the first time I ever tried to masse I was 13 years old. It is in fact my favorite part of cue sports.

I remember seeing a picture about the game of pool. Willie Hoppie was shooting pool on top a car. Since the people on the ground could not see his shots to see why someone was on a car, he decided to shoot verticle masse...This photo is one big reason I still love pool.

I will say this. What I try and teach people is how to teach themselves. I figure this is more helpful than anything.

Catch a fish for a man feed him one time teach him how to fish feed him for life...kinda...
 
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