Play good one day, bad another? It's just science.

[hang-the-9]

Nope there are 550’s that can smoke all 550’s but not 600’s. The point is 550’s normally have outright weaknesses you can play to while as the ranks get higher it’s harder to identify them. You don’t have to be better at shooting or safetying to beat someone of the same skill level. So even though it makes more sense to you it doesn’t. I get it now anyways. SVB on a good day shoots as an 890….makes perfect sense.

That is impossible because if a 550 is beating other 550s his rating will go up. If they can't beat a 600 often then they will be a 575 or something, meaning they can beat a 550 more than half the time but lose to a 600 more than half the time. Saying there are "good" 550s that beat other 550s is like saying some 12oz containers hold more than other 12oz containers, it's just impossible or they would not be called that. If you have a "larger" 12oz bottle, that bottle will hold more than 12oz so is no longer just a 12oz bottle, and if a player beats 550 rated players regularly that player will go up in rank and thus no longer a 550. You keep falling into the same hole as others who tried to analyze Fargo ratings with "logic", all you need to do is look at the data. A 550 is a 550 is a 550. Or they are not a 550. If a "550" wins against a group of 550 players even by one game more per 10 games, like in 100 games they win 55 of them and it's constant, then this 550 is a 560 or higher.

 

[hang-the-9]

Thank you! The second posted video on here was trying to say a 350 has the same range good to bad as a 700-800. It’s not true, the pros is narrower and I am glad you posted that.

Or this is also incorrect and you are just using it to backup your claim, which is a common thing called confirmation bias. People tend to think information that backs their own ideas as more correct and dismiss those that disagree with them as being trivial or wrong. There may be 1,000 to one posts against flat earth "facts" but the flat earthers reach out towards that one that agrees with them as the one containing the real facts and rest as being flawed in some way.

The video used actual data from games played.

 

[hang-the-9]

And it hurts a beginners game more because they don’t learn as accurate a stroke with the LD. When they are a bit off center the LD helps them. So this can cause them to not develope a “perfect” stroke until later

When a new player uses an LD shaft to start with, the benefit they get is they don't randomly miss when using side spin due to the higher deflection. Has nothing to do with an accurate stoke. In fact with all my time playing with like 20 different shafts, the LD shaft is LESS forgiving to bad hits than a standard one. It's just that people used to standard shafts think they are easier because that is what they are used to play with. LD or not does not matter much if one learns to compensate for all shots and can still make them, but an LD has a much shorter learning curve. The drawback to using an LD shaft all the time is that when someone grabs a house cue to use they need to actually think more about the deflection when using side spin. There is no single simple answer for every situation, but in MOST of them, I would pick an LD shaft to play with, even for those new to pool. Most newer players trying to spin the ball don't even know why they are missing unless someone explains it to them, with an LD shaft it just goes in with pretty much normal aim. I've worked with players that played for years and had no idea how the shaft affected the game.

 

[hang-the-9]

I feel exactly the same way. I'm not sure if it's scientifically accurate, and get crucified whenever I mention it. I think it's easier to do a "half masse" type shot or curve/swerve shot with a regular shaft. That swerve of the CB lets you get way out on the edge. LD is meant to deflect more to avoid swerve. It might be possible, but it's tougher for me at least to get these swerve shots with LD.

You can literally swerve around blockers and come back in to hit the OB with a dang near level stick.

People always say you can do these shots with a LD but it's a matter of aiming different. Maybe they are right, but I could never duplicate these type shots with the same precision even after 6 months of LD play. I went back to standard rock hard maple because it just did what I wanted it to.

You are correct there, the LD shafts I used are harder to masse with and also to jump with. My son is a lot better than me at doing it with LD shafts, I need a lot more effort and thought to masse and do jumps with them. They are also easier to shoot spin shots of the rail like when shooting a frozen ball down the cushion since they curve more into the angle. A shot in particular I was trying to show someone, when you jack up a bit and do a small jump over an interfering ball for position after shooting a ball in, I could not get it to go even though I knew I knew how to make it. I grabbed a house cue and got it the first try with that, the LD shaft just would not allow the cueball to hop.

 

[JB Cases]

I don’t know. The video is kind of hard to comprehend. I mean it makes sense. But in the real world I haven’t seen it. That curve has to narrow up higher. I can see a 350 beating a 550 which is a 200 difference, but can’t recall ever seeing a 550 on their best day beating a 700 on their worst day. That’s only a 150 point difference. Unless it was 9 ball and the 550 had a spot, or just kept slopping at the 9 for the win. Then again the rating system seems a bit lax at the lower to mid levels. IMO they should really just have 2-5 and then start getting more specific over 550-600. I don’t want to type a book here. So it’s just a thought and I’ll stop there.

It's exactly the same. Now if you're saying races to 50 then very unlikely that the player who is 100 points lower wins.

 

[Poolplaya9]

Playing with an LD shaft is the same as playing with a whippy regular shaft. The LD shafts just get the LD aspect differently than the whippy shaft. Maybe the whippy one is more LD than your LD shaft. They are both lower deflection than a stiff regular shaft.

As you've been told several times, shaft stiffness has relatively little impact on the deflection properties of a shaft. You can learn all about it at the link below, and can also learn how you can prove this for yourself with experiments so you no longer have to be wrong about it.

Shaft Endmass and Stiffness Effects - Dr. Dave Pool Info

Answers to frequently-asked questions about the effects of shaft endmass and stiffness on squirt in pool and billiards.

billiards.colostate.edu

You seem to want to come here primarily to do a lot of teaching, when you (and us) would be far better served with you coming here primarily for learning.

Oh, and welcome back to the forums "ENGLISH!". (For those that haven't been on this forum for more than a couple of years, ENGLISH! was a guy that was convinced he was an expert on all things science since he had taken a physics class in high school, and near daily he would try to tell Dr. Dave and others that they were wrong about long proven and settled matters of billiards science and could never once be swayed even a little bit about any of his erroneous beliefs and he wasn't short on having theories about everything.)

 

[Willowbrook Wolfy]

I just deleted all those last posts. My cue ball hits nice and close to the back Diamond. Don’t feel like being banned for being right. I’ll just hang out on here from now on, and post videos about the facts elsewhere . Sorry I put you all through hell