Player rating system

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Dale Nichols

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I read this somewhere but can't seem to find it. What are the rules or rule of thumb for player ratings A,B ect...

The pool hall where I go now has a tournament that says no A players allowed.

So what is a A player? The truth be known probably nobody in there is a A player.
 
Dale Nichols said:
I read this somewhere but can't seem to find it. What are the rules or rule of thumb for player ratings A,B ect...

The pool hall where I go now has a tournament that says no A players allowed.

So what is a A player? The truth be known probably nobody in there is a A player.
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Do you often run multiple racks of 9-ball in a row? If not, go play the tourney.
 
This might help-----

In a 9-Ball Tournament race to 7

Dec.1997 "All About Pool" magazine, article by Bob Cambell
Handicap rankings
(pardon my poor para-phrasing)

D- Player
-will not run a rack
-average run is about 3 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
-rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.

B-Player
-Able to run 1 to 3 racks
-avg. run is 5-7 balls
-with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
-most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit
easily 2 out of 3 times
-a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a
won game

A-Player
-will string 2 to 3 racks
-avg. ball run, 7-9
-with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
-typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
-average 8+ balls
-string racks together more than once in a match
-is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every
inning
-typical inning will end in excellent safety or win


Is this what you were looking for???

Pete
 
Yeah, baby

Pete said:
This might help-----

In a 9-Ball Tournament race to 7

Dec.1997 "All About Pool" magazine, article by Bob Cambell
Handicap rankings
(pardon my poor para-phrasing)

D- Player
-will not run a rack
-average run is about 3 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
-rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.

B-Player
-Able to run 1 to 3 racks
-avg. run is 5-7 balls
-with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
-most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit
easily 2 out of 3 times
-a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a
won game

A-Player
-will string 2 to 3 racks
-avg. ball run, 7-9
-with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
-typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
-average 8+ balls
-string racks together more than once in a match
-is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every
inning
-typical inning will end in excellent safety or win


Is this what you were looking for???

Pete
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I don't suck as bad as I thought. To be an "A" player around Raleigh means you rarely miss a "very makeable" ball. I'm not talking about a flyer, but a ball you're supposed to make. "B" players even run out pretty consistently. We have "C" players that can play solid for 2-3 games, safeties and running ability. It's tough in these ranked tourneys around here. They are set up for the weaker players. I guess it's the same everywhere. Five games and the eight going to seven? That's why I don't play many ranked tourneys any more. I actually had to give that spot up once to a fella and he breaks and runs the first two games (with pretty good cue ball position I might add). I don't mind to get shut out by a good player, but that spot is brutal. Look for the "pool players" watching from the bar or over in the corner with a deck of cards in their hands. In the old days, people wanted to move up to an "A" position. Now, they'll split or dump off so as not to move up.
 
Does "will get out from the 7" mean can run out with only 7 to 9 on table? A digression, when playing 9 balls, what does it mean by "give you a 8" or something?
 
Pete said:
This might help-----

In a 9-Ball Tournament race to 7

Dec.1997 "All About Pool" magazine, article by Bob Cambell
Handicap rankings
(pardon my poor para-phrasing)

D- Player
-will not run a rack
-average run is about 3 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
-rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.

B-Player
-Able to run 1 to 3 racks
-avg. run is 5-7 balls
-with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
-most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit
easily 2 out of 3 times
-a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a
won game

A-Player
-will string 2 to 3 racks
-avg. ball run, 7-9
-with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
-typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
-average 8+ balls
-string racks together more than once in a match
-is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every
inning
-typical inning will end in excellent safety or win


Is this what you were looking for???

Pete
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Dam, guess that means Im an F- player...:mad: :mad: :( :o :o
 
C-player will probably run one rack? I think I'm with you, 8-ball.
 
Pete said:
C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.
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In a race to 7, running one complete rack is about where I'm at (maybe two on a good day). So I'm a C player there.

My average run is about 5 balls, so I guess I'm still in C range.

Here's the thing: with ball in hand, I'm disgusted with myself if I don't get out from the 7. I think I get out from the 7 roughly 9 out of 10 times with ball in hand, if not more. I don't know where the "2 out of 3" comes from. If there are 3 balls on the table and you have ball in hand, and you don't run them, you're a D player, even if it's only one out of three times.

I do have mixed results when playing safe in 9-ball (in 8-ball I'm very good at it), but if I were to classify my inning ends, I would say "getting out on a good opportunity with an open table, missing position and playing safe, or the occasional missed shot", which to me sounds a lot better than what's described above.

So I'm confused whether I'm middle-of-the-road C, or maybe as high as low B. It depends which part of the description we're talking about.

-Andrew
 
Pete said:
This might help-----

In a 9-Ball Tournament race to 7

Dec.1997 "All About Pool" magazine, article by Bob Cambell
Handicap rankings
(pardon my poor para-phrasing)

D- Player
-will not run a rack
-average run is about 3 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, one out of 3 times
-rarely plays a successful safe

C-Player
-will probably run one rack, but usually not more than one
-avg. run is 3 to 5 balls
-with ball in hand, will get out from the 7, two out of 3 times
-mixed results when playing safe
-inning ends due to botched position, missed shot or attempting a
safe.

B-Player
-Able to run 1 to 3 racks
-avg. run is 5-7 balls
-with ball in hand will get out form the 5, 2 out of 3 times
-most of the time a "B" player will play a "safety" which maybe hit
easily 2 out of 3 times
-a typical inning will end with a missed shot, a fair safety, or a
won game

A-Player
-will string 2 to 3 racks
-avg. ball run, 7-9
-with ball in hand, will be out from the 3 ball, 2 out of 3 times
-typical inning will end with a well executed safety or a win.

OPEN-Players
-average 8+ balls
-string racks together more than once in a match
-is a threat to run out from every ball, from every position, every
inning
-typical inning will end in excellent safety or win


Is this what you were looking for???

Pete
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Based on this scale I am a B player most nights and a C player occasionally. Here in Arizona I am rated a 7 out of 10. Some nights I am a strong 8. I am just trying to be more consistent in the 8 range. :)

BVal
 
PKM said:
C-player will probably run one rack? I think I'm with you, 8-ball.
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I agree completely. C players that run a whole rack must have slopped in the key ball when the rest are hung in the pockets...other than that, the "ranks" seem fairly accurate.
 
seymore15074 said:
I agree completely. C players that run a whole rack must have slopped in the key ball when the rest are hung in the pockets...other than that, the "ranks" seem fairly accurate.
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Well in that case I'm definitely a B player. I quite frequently (once per long session) run racks where I'm in control for the whole rack. I'm confused.

-Andrew
 
Pete thats the one I was thinking about. I Goggled all kinds of ways and thought I would find several articles but couldn't find anything. Maybe somebody has something else also.
 
With the Apa equalizer system play a match with some one you get 1 point per ball 2 for the 9. After 15 ininings (each player has a turn at the table is 1 inining) see what your score is. 14 your a 1. 19 your a 2. 25 your a 3. 31 your a 4. 38 your a 5. 46 your a 6. 55 your a 7. 65 your a 8 and 75 your a nine. This is based on 20 matches to get your true level. Dont count your defensive shots as an inining.
In the APA I am a 9
 
damn, I'm confused too. I wanted to think I'm an A but I could definitely be a B under these definitions. I never ran more than 3 in a row. I guess it's a big fish in a small pond thing.

I dunno if this is considered dishonest but if you can get into a B tournament without sandbagging, go ahead, even if you suspect you're really an A. My experience is that someone who is 'too good' always manages to sneak into these things anyway.
 
Andrew Manning said:
Here's the thing: with ball in hand, I'm disgusted with myself if I don't get out from the 7. I think I get out from the 7 roughly 9 out of 10 times with ball in hand, if not more. I don't know where the "2 out of 3" comes from. If there are 3 balls on the table and you have ball in hand, and you don't run them, you're a D player, even if it's only one out of three times.
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That is a little unclear. Are you saying 2/3 should be a D player?

I'm curious what people think because I do this drill a lot where you throw out 3 balls and take ball in hand.
 
PKM said:
That is a little unclear. Are you saying 2/3 should be a D player?

I'm curious what people think because I do this drill a lot where you throw out 3 balls and take ball in hand.
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Considering the 3 balls to be in random positions, there are a lot of scenarios that could make a 3-ball out extremely difficult...let's not forget the fact that if you wanted to set up 3 balls that no body will run 2/3 times, you could...
 
There is no reason why we (the AZ communite spelling sucks I know) don't just come up with a cryteria for what each player should be able to do. We are international here so we could just start polling everyone, average it out and declare (unofficiously) what a D-Open is able to do in all the games.

Just a thought, and I think this rating system is a good start.

Pete
 
Easypooltutor has made some improvements since I was last on there. Very usefule site.

I read the thread from last year the Pete pointed me to, and didnt want to pull up a dead thread, so will continue here.

I haven't used it yet, but I may like the 10 racks of 9 or 10ball method to get an idea.
Funny thing about my game is that i miss a little too frequently to truly call myself a B player, but I always do well against people I feel are better players. I generally beat or am ranked higher than people whom I feel have so much more game than i do. I get in trouble with hard follow shots sometimes because of "jabbing" at the shot sometimes, but I play better defense and caroms than most people. I think alot of this is just being able to recognize those shots, when most people see a cluster helps.
One of the guys I have issues with almost never misses a shot, but is one of those bangers who never plays shapes. He wins because of ranking difference, but I still wish i could pot ball purely as well as he does.

Also, our league has a scorign system for 9ball that I dont favor, but is easy to plan for scoring. The 3 and 6 are worth 1pt, while the game ends on the 9 and its worth 3. This leaves 5 max points per game barring an eaarly 9 ball going in. It is much too easy to play safe a ball prior to a money ball and make someone have to really work to get a shape after the 5, so I dont try to run straight through a rack where beign a little out of shape may make it too chancy (especially in this format when its a 13-29 pt race). I need to guard every single point.
 
I think the rack runs that are listed are a bit high. I have very very very rarely see a C player break and run in a match (although the races they go to are 3 or 4). What I consider a C player will hardly run a rack all night from the break. Almost, yes, maybe a hung up ball, or bad position on the 7-8-9 to stop them if they are playing well.
 
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