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vincentwu817

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It is quite popular among pool players to give themselves a rating such as A, B, C, etc. But these ratings can be extremely subjective at times. I have read several descriptions of player ratings, but have found them to be just a list of characteristics. People tend to overestimate their games and rate themselves on what kind of player they "think" they are, instead of using actual data to support it.

Although I have seen some tests to determine your player level, but I would like to see a more advanced system that can objectively measure your game through a wide array of the game. For example, there would be different categories say shot-making, kicking, positional play, safety play and so forth. Then you would combine the total of these tests and the score would give you a more accurate reflection on what your skill level is. This could also measure your mental game as I find it that there is the most pressure to achieve a personal record in something (in this case, beat your previous score) than to defeat an opponent.

What do you guys think? Would something like this be an overkill? Or would it benefit players to pinpoint aspects of their game that they struggle with. I personally think a universal test like this would be beneficial because the scores are objective, and you can be very honest with yourself with your capabilities.
 
Yep billiard university seems to be what you are looking for.

As to your comment about how most players tend to overestimate. I think that a c player for example has a wide range of skill level that he can play at. On some days he will play at a d- and on some days he might play at a b+ but his average is a c. If you ask him though, chances are you will here that he is a b+.
 
vincentwu817 said:
It is quite popular among pool players to give themselves a rating such as A, B, C, etc. But these ratings can be extremely subjective at times. I have read several descriptions of player ratings, but have found them to be just a list of characteristics. People tend to overestimate their games and rate themselves on what kind of player they "think" they are, instead of using actual data to support it.

Although I have seen some tests to determine your player level, but I would like to see a more advanced system that can objectively measure your game through a wide array of the game. For example, there would be different categories say shot-making, kicking, positional play, safety play and so forth. Then you would combine the total of these tests and the score would give you a more accurate reflection on what your skill level is. This could also measure your mental game as I find it that there is the most pressure to achieve a personal record in something (in this case, beat your previous score) than to defeat an opponent.

What do you guys think? Would something like this be an overkill? Or would it benefit players to pinpoint aspects of their game that they struggle with. I personally think a universal test like this would be beneficial because the scores are objective, and you can be very honest with yourself with your capabilities.
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In order to rate a player it must be under pressure and at anytime they play; therefore, it has to be while playing matches; it cannot be judged at the comfort of your home while at your best state of mind;

GOOD POOL is a product of skill and luck the percentage for luck is inversely proportional to skill unfortunately it is never zero; therefore, hard to rank players by their win record.

I wish they make tournament where players shoot predetermined difficult shots, not trick shots, shots especially designed for pocketing, others for position, others for kick, and so on, that might be best way to rank players, the system to measure has to be identical for all players, and under pressure.
 
naji said:
In order to rate a player it must be under pressure and at anytime they play; therefore, it has to be while playing matches; it cannot be judged at the comfort of your home while at your best state of mind;

GOOD POOL is a product of skill and luck the percentage for luck is inversely proportional to skill unfortunately it is never zero; therefore, hard to rank players by their win record.

I wish they make tournament where players shoot predetermined difficult shots, not trick shots, shots especially designed for pocketing, others for position, others for kick, and so on, that might be best way to rank players, the system to measure has to be identical for all players, and under pressure.
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That reminds me of the old target pool tournaments. I still have a vhs video of one from when I was a kid. C.J. is playing in it along with Buddy, Kim, and Andam.
 
it doesn't matter at all. I think the idea is for others to think you aren't very good.
there is no prize $$ for ratings :-)
get better, look average.
 
Play in some B tournaments, if you lose nearly everytime, you're a C. If you win win half your matches you're a average B. If you win more than that, you're a strong B. Finish high or win everytime and you can play as an A.
If you move to a different area, rinse and repeat.
 
victorl said:
Play in some B tournaments, if you lose nearly everytime, you're a C. If you win win half your matches you're a average B. If you win more than that, you're a strong B. Finish high or win everytime and you can play as an A.
If you move to a different area, rinse and repeat.
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I have played in 2 local ( Ontario) handicapped tournaments as an A player, finishing third both times. Have also played one in Ottawa as an A player, and won.

My record so far is 1st, 5-8th, 3rd, 3rd as an A in Canada. However, my BU score puts me as a low B. I have noticed I play significantly better against an opponent than I do by myself.

I really like the BU tests, but I definitely feel that you need to play in local tournaments to see how you rate. Its not important to assign letter values to your skill level, you just need to know where you are on your local food chain. :)

- Andy

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vincentwu817 said:
It is quite popular among pool players to give themselves a rating such as A, B, C, etc. But these ratings can be extremely subjective at times. I have read several descriptions of player ratings, but have found them to be just a list of characteristics. People tend to overestimate their games and rate themselves on what kind of player they "think" they are, instead of using actual data to support it.

Although I have seen some tests to determine your player level, but I would like to see a more advanced system that can objectively measure your game through a wide array of the game. For example, there would be different categories say shot-making, kicking, positional play, safety play and so forth. Then you would combine the total of these tests and the score would give you a more accurate reflection on what your skill level is. This could also measure your mental game as I find it that there is the most pressure to achieve a personal record in something (in this case, beat your previous score) than to defeat an opponent.
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You have described exactly what the Billiard University (BU) playing-ability exams and rating system do. Have you checked out the BU stuff yet? If not, check out the BU thread, and please post your score if you try the exams.

FYI, various descriptions of the A-D rating system levels can be found on the A-D rating system resource page. And comparisons of BU, A-D, and other rating and handicapping systems can be found in the BU rating comparison chart.

I hope the BU Exams and other resources provide what you are looking for. I think they do.

Catch you later,
Dave
 
lakeman77 said:
it doesn't matter at all. I think the idea is for others to think you aren't very good.
there is no prize $$ for ratings :-)
get better, look average.
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In a big team tournament in Philippine or China the winner had to be determined by shooting penalties an OB one diamond below spot, and CB at the spot at the other end, Efren's team failed miserably, team China won big, and they deserved it , they made that shot more consistently no luck there..

Yet again, it is a skill to learn on how to let others think you are not a good player and make them lower their guard, last time i checked it was called sharking! but those from China and Taiwan seem to leave luck at home!
 
I'm not sure if it is the same thing than what the Billard University does but I don't think so...even though it is very similar obviously..

There is a PAT- Playing Ability Test developed some years ago by a few European Coaches such as Ralph Eckert, Jorgen Sandmann and Andreas Huber. The test covers all aspects of the game and has 3 parts...

Part 1 is for beginners and if you score a certain number of points (800 out of around 1400 I think it was) then you are allowed to play Part 2, which isn't that easy to play...

Part 2 is for more advanced players and same as in Part 1 if you score 800 or more you advance to Part 3...and that's where the fun begins...

Part 1 and 2 goes more into technical aspects, positional game and shotmaking...Part 3 then adds the missing things such as bank shots, super tough run outs etc. to the test...
It is very hard to accomplish a high score in that test...and anyone scoring above say...600 points...can consider himself playing somewhere around pro speed...

Here's a link...

http://www.pat-billiard.com/
 
lakeman77 said:
it doesn't matter at all. I think the idea is for others to think you aren't very good.
there is no prize $$ for ratings :-)
get better, look average.
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I like it, I like it, and I agree. Also if you want to make money shooting pool, no matter what rank you are D to A, be honest with yourself. And like my Dad told me many, many moons ago, "If you can't run a table keep your money in your pocket." Johnnyt
 
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