Player With Perfect Fundamentals

Look at the players in their 50s and 60s that are still playing strong and have a form that is applicable to yours. Solid fundamentals are a huge bonus when coming back after a long layoff or getting on in years. Those would be the ones that have stood the test of time.
 
Buddy Hall has one of the best strokes. For the best overall fundamentals I'd have to say Allison is at the top.
 
gulfportdoc said:
No question about Kim Davenport. He has one of the best looking stances and strokes I've ever seen. You wonder how he ever misses! Robles is good too, although I'd say "Ginky" Sansoucci (sp) might edge him out in fundamentals. They're good friends. I wonder if they had the same teacher?

Doc

Tony and Ginky didn't share the same teacher. I think Tony's dad got him started, but I'm not certain about that. I do remember Ginky from the time he was about 14 or 15. He always had pretty decent fundamentals and stroke. George Makula tutored him on straight pool and Paul Schneider spent a lot of time working with him on 9-ball patterns and position play. Other than that, Ginky was just plain talented and like most prodigies, picked things up very quickly. By the time he was 17-18 he was playing at a pro level.
 
I have to admit I was reminded of some of the guys I would omit had I not read the other posts. Jose Garcia for instance.

Generally, I'd have to say Buddy Hall, Mizerak, and Pagulayan (Am I missing something? No one has mentioned him yet...).

If snooker is included, I'd have to say Ronnie's stroke is the most beautiful AND powerful thing I've ever seen, and probably will ever see in my lifetime.
Haven't got a chance to carefully study Manalo yet. :mad:
 
Eric. said:
Eric >how do you pronounce Feijen :D

Fie - in. The j is silent (or I guess you could say it makes a "y" sound), and the ei in the first syllable is a long i sound, like in "fly" or "sky" (neither of which are spelled with an i).

Always eager to help,

-Andrew
 
Believe It Or Not - (IMO) It's...........

MARK WILSON

Everything he does is perfect as far as the fundamentals.
The mental part is there also.
I can get in stroke just watching him play.

He may not be into the gambling aspect or place in many tourneys but that is because he's "Been There And Done That". His priorities have changed.

TY & GL, OHB
 
I think this may show that perfect fundamentals don't necessarily mean that you will be the best player.

"Typically" in other sports, women in general will have better "fundamentals" as they must to close the gap between Men vs. Women. (not trying to be steriotypical here, just and observation on my part)

My opinion is that Max Eberle, Kim Davenport and Jim Rempe have some of the best fundamentals that I have seen.....(then again...what necessarily are "fundamentals" of pool)

Although not as globally recognized as the three listed above....(BBJ) Jimmy Mendoza is pretty well known to have the best fundamentals in Arizona, and would rank with any of the three above......

I do believe that some players just fall into having great fundamentals...In other words they are "built for pool"...Just like Tiger Woods has the body that is built for Golf....

In pool I think vision in relation to the rest of your body and set up play a big factor in how "fundamentally" sound a player looks.....A player that is right handed and left eye dominant will have a tougher time looking "fundamentally" sound than a player that is right handed right eye dominant....
 
Rickw said:
Buddy Hall has one of the best strokes. For the best overall fundamentals I'd have to say Allison is at the top.

I agree. And I'd add Shawn Putnam. Both really stay down well, have great, smooth strokes without idiosyncracies. Neither play flashy (except perhaps for Shawn's jump shots). Just very solid & perfect strokes IMO.
 
Mr. King of the Hill himself, Mike Sigel. His stance is more closed than most, but his follow through is flawless.
 
I think Jose Garcia should definately be included. He is one of the most underrated players in the world IMO.

Ok change of question- Who has the worst looking fundamentals but still plays top level pool? I would say Bustamante, but his stroke is beautiful. Mike Davis gets my vote, then Keith McCready and Allen Hopkins. They all have ugly styles but they can beat anyone in the world.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
I think Jose Garcia should definately be included. He is one of the most underrated players in the world IMO.

Ok change of question- Who has the worst looking fundamentals but still plays top level pool? I would say Bustamante, but his stroke is beautiful. Mike Davis gets my vote, then Keith McCready and Allen Hopkins. They all have ugly styles but they can beat anyone in the world.


I have only seen Mike Davis play 1 time...

I can't bear to watch him play again...(too painful) :)
 
Andrew Manning said:
Fie - in. The j is silent (or I guess you could say it makes a "y" sound), and the ei in the first syllable is a long i sound, like in "fly" or "sky" (neither of which are spelled with an i).

Always eager to help,

-Andrew


I've also heard fee-gin and fay-han :D


Eric >what's in a name
 
Sigel all the way. Such a perfect follow thru. The only other person that I have seen follow thru as pure is Earl Strickland. If you haven't seen the Accu-Stats DVD of Earl vs. Efren in the 2005 U.S. Open, you need to watch. Unbelievable how perfectly lined up he is, and how straight/powerfully he follows through the ball. If the had finished the U.S. Open that night, he would have won it.
 
What a STROKE!!

Deuel - Fisher - Homann - Feijin - He is like the terminator when standing at the table. Homann is just a ROCK and deuel could stroke a ball from Florida to LA is he had to and Fisher - well its Allison Fisher what a beautiful and SOLID stroke. She never has to use a big stroke a lot but I have seen her stroke the shiet out of a ball to recover position.
 
> I'd agree 100% with Sigel,and most of the other players here. One that hasn't been mentioned is Danny Harriman. Almost stiff looking,but really fluid and always the same. Shannon Daulton is another. Of all the newer players that have just come on the scene in the last 5 years,or I've seen in that period,Hohmann,Manolo,and Amar Kang. There is one player,however,that some might disagree with me over,and that is Jonathan Hennessee. To overcome a not-so-slight disability like he has,he really hits the balls sporty,and has TONS of power in his stroke. For those that haven't seen him,he is naturally left handed,but plays right handed even though he lost the ring and pinky fingers off his right hand in a childhood accident. I'm NOT dogging him about it either,just fact. The ones that make me sick to watch are the ones with the really strange,overly flamboyant strokes that run out constantly when they don't even look like they will make solid contact with the cue ball. In a way,it looks like the Filipino influence on the way the game is played has carried over to younger players in the sense that solid,repeatable strokes are not as common,they all seem to be picking up the real loose violin-type strokes,and not even well at that. I guess it works to an extent,but a player with crazy fundamentals has to work harder to stay in stroke. A player like Hohmann can lay off for longer periods and still come back the same speed,someone outside the box like Scott Frost probably has to hit balls 4 hours a day to maintain his. Tommy D.
 
cuetechasaurus said:
I think Jose Garcia should definately be included. He is one of the most underrated players in the world IMO.

Ok change of question- Who has the worst looking fundamentals but still plays top level pool? I would say Bustamante, but his stroke is beautiful. Mike Davis gets my vote, then Keith McCready and Allen Hopkins. They all have ugly styles but they can beat anyone in the world.

Best: Fong-Pang Chao

Worst: Nick Varner

George
 
Tommy-D said:
> I'd agree 100% with Sigel,and most of the other players here. One that hasn't been mentioned is Danny Harriman. Almost stiff looking,but really fluid and always the same. Shannon Daulton is another. Of all the newer players that have just come on the scene in the last 5 years,or I've seen in that period,Hohmann,Manolo,and Amar Kang. There is one player,however,that some might disagree with me over,and that is Jonathan Hennessee. To overcome a not-so-slight disability like he has,he really hits the balls sporty,and has TONS of power in his stroke. For those that haven't seen him,he is naturally left handed,but plays right handed even though he lost the ring and pinky fingers off his right hand in a childhood accident. I'm NOT dogging him about it either,just fact. The ones that make me sick to watch are the ones with the really strange,overly flamboyant strokes that run out constantly when they don't even look like they will make solid contact with the cue ball. In a way,it looks like the Filipino influence on the way the game is played has carried over to younger players in the sense that solid,repeatable strokes are not as common,they all seem to be picking up the real loose violin-type strokes,and not even well at that. I guess it works to an extent,but a player with crazy fundamentals has to work harder to stay in stroke. A player like Hohmann can lay off for longer periods and still come back the same speed,someone outside the box like Scott Frost probably has to hit balls 4 hours a day to maintain his. Tommy D.


You might be surprised at how far from the truth that statement is...

Actually, I am not quite sure that he even hits balls at all.

The the reality is..that its his "natural" stroke...what does he need to work on????

People that are trying to "perfect" a stroke that is not "natural" to them are the ones that have their stroke fail under pressure.
 
I know I've said it on here before, but I've always been a fan of Kim Davenport's mechanics. He does do a little something funny in his final stroke some times, but the way he sets up to the ball is about as good as it gets.
 
I love watching James Baraks and his buddy Chad V. play. They always look technically very sound no matter what they are doing at the table. You definitely can't tell how good they are playing from their mechanics because it is the same no matter what. I would assume that Mark Wilson had a big influence on both of these guys.
 
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