Players dumping for money

cueball1950

cueball1950

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In our local pool hall the other day the question of players, both amatuer and pro, dumping on their backers and splitting with their opponents. So i was wondering how often you think this happens. I believe i read a post on here awhile back about a certain top level player dumping for a large sum and i found that hard to believe. I even tried to find the post, but being the computer dummy i am. well that says it all. I have seen him play quite a few times and find it hard to believe because of the speed he plays at. i think that when his game is right he can just about play with anyone. And besides, if someone dumps on their backer aren't they cutting off their cash supply in the future?
Short story, back in the late 60's early 70's a local guy takes an "A" player on the short road here in NY. In the end the Backer loses $600 and when they get home the "A" Player has $300 in his pocket. The backer asks me,"do you think he dumped on me"? i said you have to be kidding me. Figure it out. You lost $600.00 and when you get home he has $300.00. Now you tell me. They never went on the road again...............mike
 
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So, If you need a backer in the first place, you either have no money, can't make any money, or lost what you had, making you a bad money manager, or game maker. So if someone descides to "go into biz" with the above mentioned person, they get what they deserve!

Obviously, Road partners are'nt included in this, we all need someone to watch our back.

I was taught not to back with anyone, put money together myself, and play like it's my last dime.

Or as my teacher said, "gambling money is like a pecker, when you play with someone elses, nothing good can happen!".:)

Gerry
 
Gerry said:
Or as my teacher said, "gambling money is like a pecker, when you play with someone elses, nothing good can happen!".:)
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ROFLMAO

Man how true...LOL

Shorty
 
cueball1950 said:
I believe i read a post on here awhile back about ======== dumping for a large sum and i found that hard to believe. I even tried to find the post, but being the computer dummy i am................mike
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So repeat the story with no real personal knowledge what so ever.
 
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Macguy

I agree with what you just said and i only used that as an example since i did read about it on this board and after a few pm's to a certain few, that also agreed with me that is was stated on this board. so now i will try to delete tha name if possible. but my main question is, why do players dump like they do? is it the guarantee of the money involved................................mike
 
Could it be that the player wanted out of the contract with the backer.

Maybe Fast Eddie should have done this with Bert in the Hustler.

A top local player told me he will never use a backer or play involving weight. He said he will only play heads up and with his own money. If he doesn't have it he won't play. He said he has seen and been ripped off by scams involving backers and don't want to be owned by them.
 
cueball1950 said:
I agree with what you just said and i only used that as an example since i did read about it on this board and after a few pm's to a certain few, that also agreed with me that is was stated on this board. so now i will try to delete tha name if possible. but my main question is, why do players dump like they do? is it the guarantee of the money involved................................mike
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It's the immediate want for money, notice I didn't say need, without any thought of the long term. That has always been the problem with pool players.
 
More pool players have been killed or hurt by backers/bankers for dumping than by other players over the years. Johnnyt.
 
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One of the best and timely pieces of advice given to me in the 'old poolhall' was "if you can't pay don't play"...I have followed this advice. I match myself up, use my own money and stay with in my comfort zone...works fine and last a long time.
The only time I have had a problem with gambling is when I let a friend in on my action. I got smoked hardly getting to the table. "My friend", said with a smile is no longer a friend. Too this day I will not use a backer. It is funny money and cause problems. Someone mentioned backing players. Being a stackhorse is like living in a can of worms, biting worms...LOL
 
I think the practice of gambling to split the money of one of the backers happens more than most people think.

I actually thought there was an instance of this very thing happening described at the end of the book 'Playing Off the Rail' where the author of the book got scammed by a guy he backed (no names here). I think that author still doesn't realize that he got taken like that.
 
He might get 35% or 40% from the backer without a guarantee that he will win. By dumping he gets 50% to 60% guaran-damn-teed.

He sells out for the money.
 
Once a player ...

is known to dump or cut up a backer, that information
travels like a grass fire, and they suffer with it for
a long time if not forever. Plus, inside they know they
are a 'cheat', and it comes around to them too eventually.
 
A player around here did that, backer lost like $1700 well the backer got his revenge didnt, he didnt kick his ass but he got ahold of the IRS they did an audit on the guy and this guy is still paying them, that was about 6yrs ago.
 
Great subject. I've been around pool for a long time, have heard a million rumors and know firsthand of dumping, especially in the old days, but IMO most of the dump/cutups were levied on sidebetters or "spur-of-the-moment" backers. Most players and backers I knew and observed had a pretty good understanding and were on the square. This subject would make a good article or book from someone that has the firsthand knowledge.
 
Risk vs Reward

I remember this sort of thing happing in Reno a few years back, but that was the fault of the tournament... offering a bonus to one player for winning, and no bonus to the other player... only makes sense to bleed a tournament of all offered monies and split it all. As far as gambling goes, whoever stakes the money is the person who should be aware of whats really going on. Dont put money up for someone you dont trust. If your on the road, combine all monies (players and backers) and make sure the player understands if he looses he doesnt eat dinner.
People are only after whats best for them, the backer and the player... and I believe "Greed" was one of the seven original sins.
 
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I remember this sort of thing happing in Reno a few years back, but that was the fault of the tournament... offering a bonus to one player for winning, and no bonus to the other player... only makes sense to bleed a tournament of all offered monies and split it all. As far as gambling goes, whoever stakes the money is the person who should be aware of whats really going on. Dont put money up for someone you dont trust. If your on the road, combine all monies (players and backers) and make sure the player understands if he looses he doesnt eat dinner.
People are only after whats best for them, the backer and the player... and I believe "Greed" was one of the seven original sins.
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There used to be a good player here who would dump his backer if the other fellow didn't have much money. He would lose what ever his backer was willing and then come back a little later and play the guy again using his own money, getting both his backers and the other guys money.
Dick
 
I wouldnt dump for no one.. I have been known to show mercy on players but 99% of the time its practice.. with no money envolved at all..

Im the type of player, If I take all your money, and I know you need it, I'll give some of it back, for me its not all about the money but what the money can do for the game, If you have a guy down really down, and he needs the money, he is going to play with all his might.. and thats the reason I like to play..


2wld4u
 
Gerry said:
So, If you need a backer in the first place, you either have no money, can't make any money, or lost what you had, making you a bad money manager, or game maker. So if someone descides to "go into biz" with the above mentioned person, they get what they deserve!

Obviously, Road partners are'nt included in this, we all need someone to watch our back.

I was taught not to back with anyone, put money together myself, and play like it's my last dime.

Or as my teacher said, "gambling money is like a pecker, when you play with someone elses, nothing good can happen!".:)

Gerry
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ALWAYS play with your own $$. You play better. Besides when I matched up myself with my money on me it wasn't gambling.
Jack
www.johnmaddencues.com
 
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