playing my mentor

SILVER__WOMBAT

CHARLIE DONT SURF
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hey ppls im playing my mentor today, whom i have never beatn when he was playing his best and was wondering if anyone had any tips to get me i the zone or any stories about playing there mentors/someone they looked up to....ill tell you who won tonite or tomorrow thx for the responses:)
 
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Beating your mentor is easy enough. You just have to play better than him. Good Luck
 
Okay, I'll try to post something helpful, as opposed to the two previous posts..

My story. His name was Sergeant Major Seto. He was the first good player I ever played, and we were stationed over in South Korea together for a year. He pounded on me mercilessly for that entire year. I easily beat the other soldiers, but won fewer than three games off the Sergeant Major in that year.

I told him right before I left for Fort Lewis, Washingtion: "SGM, the next time I see you, I'm going to be good enough to beat you. He laughed at me.

That laugh and the fact that I had never been able to get through him to win tournaments in Korea drove me to practice like a man possessed. I didn't really think I'd ever see him again, but I practiced hard all the same.

When I practiced, I remembered back when all the Korean pros came to play with the soldiers. SGM came in second ahead of all the Koreans, and a new guy in town won. I overslept. Oversleeping that day brings back painful memories. I wanted to PROVE myself to the Koreans and the SGM Seto.

So when I went to Fort Lewis, as I practiced, I would imagine that I was back at the tournament I overslept for, and that I was playing while all the Korean pros watched. It tended to make me try harder, practice with more focus.

SGM Seto changed duty stations from Koread to Fort Lewis. In fact, he became my company's Sergeant Major. We both played in the Fort Lewis 8 ball Championship. He got knocked into the loser's bracket, while I walked all over everybody to the finals. SGM met me in the finals.

He beat me the first set of double elimination. His game was the same as I always remembered. Incredibly steady, consistent. Look at the table and see if there was a runout. If there was, he was out.

We start the second set, race to 5. He has me down 4-3, and he is running out for the win. Inexplicably, he jaws a ball.

I step up to the table, and think to myself: "There are times a player has to reach deep within himself. You've been nervous playing these two sets because he is SGM Seto. He is beatable. He was supposed to be out, but he missed. He's scared of you, or he wouldn't have missed that ball. He's nervous too. He left you an easy out. You've been practicing the last two years of your life for moments like this. Make it count. Put this old dog out of his misery."

I reached deep down for that extreme focus I had been working on in practice, and I ran out that rack. I broke a ball in on the next break, and I ran that rack out too. I VICIOUSLY put down any thoughts of missing that tried to come to the surface of my mind.

That's my story. When practicing and playing, I want to win SO BADLY that it allows me to wad up all those little negative thoughts and bury them somewhere where my mind can't get at them.

This may not help, as my focus and ability to ignore negative thoughts were built in practice, mostly. But do your best to put those thoughts out of your mind. You have to CONVINCE yourself on some primal level that you are going to make THIS shot, right NOW.

If you win, that's great! If you don't, try practicing with more drive. Find a mental situation that really drives you, such as a memory of playing in a pro event, with a number of people watching, or gambling, with people watching. Convince yourself as you are practicing that 20, 30, 100 people are watching you, and are judging each shot of yours.

Lackadaisical practice is the enemy of every player. Find a way to focus harder than you've ever focused before. If you're lucky, that'll help drop you in dead stroke.

In my opinion, the ability to focus all the time is what separates good players from great players. Good players have the stroke, they just don't have the drive, focus, the "will to win" at all costs.

Russ
 
I've had more than a few mentors over the years, and I was very lucky they were great players.

Dave Marks aka "Pineapple" taught me how to play 9ball, how to match up correctly, the finer points of getting comped in AC, and how to always play within my abilities. He tried to teach me his system playing craps, but I wasn't interested if it wasn't on the pool table. I never did beat him.....now I think He's dealing at a casino somewhere?

Andy Toth taught me to play 14.1, and the finer points of 9ball. Andy was a daily 100 ball runner and a monster 9baller except for his weak break. He got me running 50's/60's but I didn't know at the time he played a little different style of 14.1 compared to most top flight players. That fact made it hard for me to jump to the next level...my patterns were weak. I miss my sessions with Andy, he had a no nonsense way to make the game easy for me. As far as I know I was the only person he taught....he said no one else took the game serious enough to waste his time. At my best I could win about 1 race in 4 of 9ball, but when I got the first one I have never been so happy....so was Andy, he never let up on me.

A good friend of mine Jimmy is trying to teach me 1 pocket. We have drastically different styles, but that is a good thing at times. We get along great, and it's easy to understand what he's trying to show me....even though I take WAY too many flyers!:).....we go back and forth, but I would need at least 2 balls, or a ball and the break to get even with him....

thats about it for now.....

Gerry
 
If you step up to the table thinking you are playing a better player, you are setting yourself up for failure. You can't win without having enough confidence in your ability to truly believe you have what it takes to play a better game than your opponent.

Of course, you also have to have enough confidence in your opponent's playing ability to know that you have to bring your very best game in order to win. It's a fine line.

Good Rolls,
Rasta
 
SILVER__WOMBAT said:
hey ppls im playing my mentor today, whom i have never beatn when he was playing his best and was wondering if anyone had any tips to get me i the zone or any stories about playing there mentors/someone they looked up to....ill tell you who won tonite or tomorrow thx for the responses:)

Good Posts Russ & Gerry! I guess I will throw in my $.02 tip for thought (although your probably playing him right now as I type.)

Simple facts:
1) Winning is always beating another player, losing is always being beaten by the winner.
2) Knowone ever beats himself, or another play over his head.

It's black and white, no grey.

In competition who performs the best wins. Competition is competition because of the opponent or it would just be practice, right? Your opponent factors into everything in the match. Your motivation, your expectations of yourself, and your emotions during play can sharpen or dull all because of your opponent.

Who you play, his reputation compared to yours, the history between both of you comes to the forefront. This is all in you mind before, during, and after the match.

To play your best match you must correctly assess the games realities and options available to you. Also you must factor in your skills and your opponents. Then shape your thinking into in the best direction to produce your best play. That is, produce a game plan with all that you know that will bring out your best play.

You have the motivation and you have everything to gain in this match. He doesn't.
 
You might win him on skill one day..........but not on knowledge and experience.
 
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